I just want to play Paladin or Druid without being forced to heal

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hello future pally healer :wink:

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Like you running out of mana in 30 seconds.

Good paladin tanks down-rank dramatically for AoE pulls since you get tons of reactive threat via Ret Aura, thorns, fire shield, etc.

The scholo tanking gear is literally the BiS for paladin tanks because it has defense and MP5 but it was still even afterall The Ravenian farming you did for a chance of him spawning and a CHANCE of him dropping the gear.

If you are AoE tanking, you don’t need an incredible amount of defense and mp5, just good mana management, see down-ranking + seal of wisdom.

The only tool a paladin has is ticks on a consecrate and a aura and you have to cycle through each one. It was a horrible failed mess and I went back to healing.

You should be using +spell damage weapons with SotR for threat on a single target.

Long story short paladins cant tank.

Paladins are top-tier tanks for anything that requires AoE.

They can DPS if you’re sleeping with the GM or Raid Leader but other than that they’re absolute crap.

You should try Spelladin instead of Retadin :smiley:

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Thats not optimal at all. You wont be good at anything if you heal that way. And your tanking will still suck unless you’re running lower level guildies through stuff.

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You can’t AOE tank because you rely on Consecration, Ret Aura, and BoS. All which can’t snap aggro back just sustain it until you run entirely out of mana.

You’re not realizing THAT YOU RUN OUT OF MANA, and paladins CANNOT REGAIN MANA like warriors can regain rage. And druids… I dunno what you use, fairy and leaf power.

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20/31/0 is fine. Your most important healing talents are 16-20 into Illumination. After the first 20 points, you can literally spec into anything else as everything after is marginal and gear takes over from there.

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Oh my, I didn’t realize I can’t use potions or Runes or or Seal of Wisdom or anything to get mana back! /s

Again, perhaps you aren’t aware, but you can downrank quite easily to save mana and I mean save a TON of mana (Consecration is 135 mana rank 1). Once you have AoE aggro, you literally don’t need to do anything more than let them hit you. You don’t even use Holy shield! Ezpz

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Yup, and also, 30/21/0 (Dfavor/HPower) is pretty solid too, still get BSanc. and Imp. Concentration.

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No divine favor for mana regen with Illumination and no holy power for illumination chance to give mana back? As mentioned before, not optimal at all. Whats the point in caring about illumination if you’re not going to spec into talents that actually make it good?

And this is why cookie cutters rules above all than someone thinking they can “make skills and talents work”

Yup, you’ve never pally tanked before. It sounds nice on paper though… keep the pipe dream alive.

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No divine favor for mana regen with Illumination and no holy power for illumination chance to give mana back? As mentioned before, not optimal at all. Whats the point in caring about illumination if you’re not going to spec into talents that actually make it good?

Once every 2 minutes does almost nothing. Gear is what makes Illumination good, simple as that.

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Yup, you’ve never pally tanked before. It sounds nice on paper though… keep the pipe dream alive.

I appreciate your words of encouragement :smiley: There will be many folks learning for the first time and having a great time playing. Let them play, no need to control :slight_smile: We are still discovering tons about the game and resurgence of Classic will find some pretty builds and kits we hadn’t thought of.

You’d be surprised what someone with a ton of time and effort on their hands can accomplish!

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A Paladin in Vanilla needs to realize they are not Warriors, but a Paladin. You do have heals and are expected to use them regardless of spec.

Holy really isn’t bad as it allows you to play SHOCKADIN. 20/31/0 Prot Paladins are just plain awesome at AoE grinding. And as for Ret, the Spelladin meta is showing us all that we might have played the entire spec wrong all this time.

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good news! You can do both Prot/feral tanking, all you got to do is stay away from min-max bots and put in extra effort

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My guild in vanilla was casual. We had a bunch of ret paladins (yuck) and a feral (he sometimes off-tanked). Our progression was bad.
You don’t have to heal, but you may end up having to find a guild that doesn’t require players to min max, and therefore you will struggle with progression.

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eh a good player will be able to do anything he wants with enough skill and patience and persistence

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You can play whatever you want, its a video game, you do you. Just don’t expect that the entire population needs to cater to your whims because you want to play poorly.

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Druids can raid tank pretty much as good as a warrior…

So don’t worry too much.

Pally’s on the other hand, not as much. THey are better for 5-10 mans.

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…and luck since Druids and Paladins issues are more from gear than anything else. Warriors aren’t just better Tanks because of their kit. They’re better because it’s much easier for them to get to the Defense cap.

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I’d love to as well.

But just look at the disparity.

Warriors get tons of abilities and only really need 15 talent points to be an effective raid tank.

Paladins are mana dependent, have a tank tree that needs 31 points burned and partially dependent on getting critted (redoubt and reckoning) and the tier tank gear is locked as “warrior only”.

Druids can manage massive health, armor and good threat without the mana limit, but can’t even parry or block and have an even harder time than Paladins to gear because all their tier gear is heal sets which means stealing from rogues and fury warriors for off pieces.

They were given tanking trees but all the tank love (gear, talents, abilities) went to warriors.