I hopes Delves turn into a true end-game parallel rather than a stepping stone

[Akston-area-52]

@Maurdeth-moon-guard

Not needing to group to get good gear would drain participation from both like a leech on a hemophiliac.
Probably why they capped delve rewards at hero in the first place.

But you can get good gear from Delves.

[Akston-area-52]

@Rentralo-stormrage

I’m saying he began with a stance of making things more hard core and about raiding (WoD) and has basically found compromises along the way that have actually led to improvements. It’s due the failures, especially initial ones, along the way that he learned he needed to make the game more casual friendly.

He learned to make the game better after he made the game worse at times.

Ion was not in charge of WoD.

[Qamaits-darrowmere (Qamaits)]

Delves are my end game.

[Maurdeth-moon-guard (Maurdeth)]

Didn’t think I’d actually need to clarify that meant myth track gear considering the topic of this thread.
Your capacity to misinterpret continues to surprise, lmao.

[Akston-area-52]

well you said good gear.

I took your words at face value

I didn’t think you meant BIS gear

I am sorry for not putting words in your mouth and trusting you used the correct words to convey a point.

delves should be a way to get the best gear in the game.

being bad at communicating and blaming others. smh.

[Maurdeth-moon-guard (Maurdeth)]

@Akston-area-52

well you said good gear.

I took your words at face value

Yeah, and ignored the subject of the thread it was stated in, hence.
It’s insane how I don’t even need to address people directly to receive such blatantly fuming responses.

[Prysmatix-ashkandi]

Well, the biggest issue is the difficulty versus reward. If you get a college degree, would you like your salary to be lower than a high school drop out?

Kinda same with delves versus other endgame pillars, delves are objectively easier, and already invalidated m+ up to +7 keys for the most part. Its not that people just hate delves, people like M+ and raid too and are feeling frustrated as the progression system is just really bad this season. I dont understand how people cant see this. If the devs increased rewards from M+ or raid, or increased the difficulty of delves, this would quickly become a non issue

And you can get hero pieces from the vault, then catalyze them and boom, you have tier aka bis.

[Rentralo-stormrage]

He was the lead raid developer, and did have a central leadership role.

Anyway, not here to get into history lessons as your response wasn’t event a counter-argument to the point I was making. The fact you chose instead to try to nitpick a fact shows you don’t realy have a good counter-argument anyway.

[Akston-area-52]

look

I am saying delves have good gear

I am not the one jnying anything besides BIS is not good.

if I assume anything, you get mad at me for assumptions and putting words in you mouth.

if I don’t assume. you get mad for me for misinterpreting.

it’s a lose lose situation that could be fixed by people merely using the words that convey their point.

[Akston-area-52]

@Rentralo-stormrage

He was the lead raid developer, and did have a central leadership role.

so you are mad at Ion that while he was in charge of developing raids he didn’t also make solo content? something that had nothing to do with his job title?

that instead of doing his job, he should have done something else?

[Rentralo-stormrage]

No, I am saying that:

@Rentralo-stormrage

I’m saying he began with a stance of making things more hard core and about raiding and has basically found compromises along the way that have actually led to improvements. It’s due the failures, especially initial ones, along the way that he learned he needed to make the game more casual friendly.

[Maurdeth-moon-guard (Maurdeth)]

@Akston-area-52

I am not the one jnying anything besides BIS is not good.

But it’s fine to say bis is good, so it’s fine to just call it good gear.
You just misinterpreted what I said is all, as often people seem to do.
It’s okay, though, you can get better.

[Skelekinz-area-52]

@Akston-area-52

Delves, for example, are solo optional content. Not solo content.

But if it’s between doing it solo or risking others wasting lives, I am going solo.

I’m convinced those using groups are the players who aren’t good enough to solo. As in they are the players who will cause issues

[Akston-area-52]

@Maurdeth-moon-guard

But it’s fine to say bis is good, so it’s fine to just call it good gear.

But its not fine to say delves do not currently give good gear.

@Maurdeth-moon-guard

You just misinterpreted what I said is all, as often people seem to do.

If people are regularly misinterpreting what you say, that is not a them problem. Its a you problem.

[Maurdeth-moon-guard (Maurdeth)]

@Akston-area-52

But its not fine to say delves do not current give good gear.

Which I didn’t.

That is actually you putting words into my mouth.

[Akston-area-52]

@Maurdeth-moon-guard

Which I didn’t.

That is actually you putting words into my mouth.

If we are going up the pedantic level of responses, I didnt say you did.

Please do not misinterpret what I state. You can be better.

[Rentralo-stormrage]

I think the main problem in the delve vs. Mythic + is indeeded the current difficulty of each. I think delves could be made to be more difficult while Mythic+ could be made to be more easier.

I don’t exactly hear people playing Mythic+ saying they enjoy the current difficulty levels, so I sense the real issue is that Mythic+ is overtuned.

[Maurdeth-moon-guard (Maurdeth)]

@Akston-area-52

pedantic level

You started our exchange with pedantry and said you didn’t want to put words in my mouth, only to go right ahead and do just that, what are you even complaining about at this point lol.

[Chymmee-tichondrius]

@Hpellipsis-whisperwind

The issue is the difficulty / type of difficulty just isn’t comparable.

The same thing can be said comparing M+ and Mythic Raiding. The logistical difficulty of Mythic Raiding can never be matched by M+.

I agree that a T11 Delve is currently not the same difficulty as a Mythic 10 but a Mythic 10 is currently not the same difficulty as any of the last 4 Bosses in Nerub-ar Palace.

When adding logistics into the mix none of the end game pillars are balanced.

[Critianbale-stormrage]

I think their at the start in a good place, good enough to get you soem more gear on your own time for a chance at more in the vault later on. You can play the game and gear entirely in Delves and if you feel like it, dabble in other things