I hope the "No Changes" fetish isn't as strong for TBC

Classic, as a project, wasn’t intended to be a competitive game. The whole point is to bring WoW, how it was, in 1.12(eventually, they’re progressing through content for nostalgia factor.)

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Alliance has had better racials for arena the entire time its been in the game.

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I concur. Retail is their cash cow and they aren’t passing on it anytime soon.

Blizzard is pretty incompetent. I don’t trust them to design anything or make any balance decisions whatsoever. I’d rather just have the game as it was back then, despite its flaws.

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There is a better chance that the op gives birth to a full grown Clydesdale then there is of Classic + being a thing.

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yeah TBC will be 80-90% horde for sure, it was the same with pservers, you’d have to be stupid to roll alliance. Atleast in TBC PVP, you mostly did arenas and they can be against the same faction, so no worries about ques.

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I think part of the issue with TBC is that the Draenei were presented as the Super good guys in a faction that was already pretty bleached white to begin with and thus kind of undermined the alliance race addition.

Something more primal or base (like the ones you see in outlands) and which didn’t have as strong of a tie to the light would have gone a long way towards making them more interesting and nuanced of a choice.

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and lets be honest Draenei are so ugly…

To put it mildly.

You couldnt sap druids.

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Didn’t read OP but I play Classic to play Vanilla not Frankenstein patch. I hope TBC is identical to old version as well. Go back to retail if you don’t like Vanilla.

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We wanted no changes in the context of no lfg/lfr - things that build a server community. There are many many other great changes that have been implemented.

Just look tradable raid loot - why is this in the game? Good change or bad?

We are playing a game with somechanges - we will hit a point in time that it becomes muchneededchanges.

Something certainly needs to be done by the time BC launches to address this. Classic’s already shown us how many more people can and will min-max everything, and it’s easy to see what will happen if this is left unchecked.

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Bingo, they will almost certainly use 2.4, it the 1.12 of TBC, and like 1.12 screws a lot of stuff up.

" [I HOPE THE “NO CHANGES” `fetish` *COMMITMENT* ISN’T AS STRONG FOR TBC]" FTFY
I hope it is.

You do realize BC comes with Blood Elves and everybody going horde, do you?

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I don’t want TBC.

I don’t want arena, flying, paladin for H and shaman for A, resilience, old-cities becoming ghost-towns, hoof race for A and elf for H, catchup items. None of them

Do you even know what “classic” mean? “Expresso please - oh remember to add some milk and nuts”

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More people are ok with changes than you might expect, but It’s a problem of scale. 2 scales, in fact.

Scale 1: impact. How much would the use of the change impact the gameplay? Low end, barbershop. High end, paladins get a taunt,
or group finder. Its not even easy to agree on the impact of certain things: how impactful flying or xmog would really be has been the subject of some debate.

Scale 2: optional vs mandatory. If Blizzard added in some finishing quests to lines that just ended unfinished, it wouldn’t change anything for those who chose not to do them. Other end might be modern style world scaling, which is forced on everyone.

And the thing is, everyone who would accept or want changes has a different tolerance to these scales, to say nothing of differing specific preferences. The only reasonable line that could be drawn in classic is no changes at all.

A separate release of a carefully considered classic + would be interesting though.

Raid loot trading is in game so activision didn’t have to hire actual GM’S. What we have in place now is a quasi prison system from a 3rd world country, you know the kind where the inmates run the jail.

Which is why that changed a lot of how Classic plays. There were way too many changes in Classic for my taste. Blizzard has never shown that they are able to learn from their mistakes so I don’t hold out hope that TBC would be much better.

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