I have to agree...this game is no longer for the casual player

[Orctang-area-52 (Orctang)]

@Snozh-malganis

Been playing since the end of BC off and on so yes I have

So, you are intentionally lying. Nice!

[Shokmastaflk-tichondrius]

@Shokmastaflk-tichondrius

Problem is there are things called addons that essentially make the game easier to play ( new or vet). So blizzard is trying to keep the game fast paced and high on quick decisions to make it challenging. Just remove addons and force players to play the game you create.

A player cannot learn how to play properly until this is addressed. Addons lead to design and balance flaws

[Snozh-malganis]

@Orctang-area-52

So, you are intentionally lying. Nice!

Nope. The rotations now compared to back in Wrath/Cata are the easiest they have been.

Even the talent trees are a joke and have been since they changed in mop.

[Orctang-area-52 (Orctang)]

Nope, the game was simple stupid in vanilla and bc. Talent trees have always been a joke.

[Shokmastaflk-tichondrius]

@Snozh-malganis

Nope. The rotations now compared to back in Wrath/Cata are the easiest they have been.

Even the talent trees are a joke and have been since they changed in mop.

But the small buffs and debuffs that change a game/match are worse than they have ever been

So you have designed this one shot meta, easy to pull off builds that are reliant on tiny buffs or debuffs.

[Snozh-malganis]

@Orctang-area-52

Nope, the game was simple stupid in vanilla and bc

Yet I remember seeing people with 71 points on one tree.

@Orctang-area-52

Talent trees have always been a joke.

See above.

[Snozh-malganis]

@Shokmastaflk-tichondrius

But the small buffs and debuffs that change a game/match are worse than they have ever been

So you have designed this one shot meta, easy to pull off builds that are reliant on tiny buffs or debuffs.

The game has almsot always been about burst setups. Only in BFA did the meta actually slow way down to dampening games.

[Shokmastaflk-tichondrius]

Dampening literally only affected arena.

Also addons were present in bfa so you ignored my main point

[Orctang-area-52 (Orctang)]

@Snozh-malganis

Yet I remember seeing people with 71 points on one tree.

Just because there was less information available to people back then doesn’t make anything even more challenging. In fact, it was so easy people could beat content with any bad rotation or talent choices.

[Snozh-malganis]

@Orctang-area-52

Just because there was less information available to people back then doesn’t make anything even more challenging

There wasnt less information. There were plenty of places to get said information.

@Orctang-area-52

In fact, it was so easy people could beat content with any bad rotation or talent choices.

Content difficulty has zero bearing on the discussion or comment.

[Orctang-area-52 (Orctang)]

@Snozh-malganis

There wasnt less information.

Of course there was.

@Snozh-malganis

Content difficulty has zero bearing on the discussion or comment.

So, they what are you even talking about? Time to put the drugs down man!

[Chastayne-quelthalas]

@Ellianaone-stormrage

What happened to WoW?

I mean, tough rotations are nothing new.

Just take Sub Rogue PvE from Cataclysm:

• Ninja combo points while in stealth before pull from Honor Among Thieves from crit heals
• Spend them on Slice and Dice before pull
• Cast Tricks of the Trade on the tank on pull
• Shadowstep
• Ambush
• Rupture
• Recuperate (for Energy regen)
• Hemorrhage
• Maintain Rupture
• Maintain Slice and Dice
• Maintain Hemorrhage debuff
• Maintain Recuperate
• Vanish
• Ambush
• Shadow Dance
• Ambush until no energy
• Repeat all

And all of this while dodging those anti-melee mechanics and keeping up your turn on interrupts.

Was not easy, but man was it fun.

[Snozh-malganis]

@Orctang-area-52

Of course there was.

Thottbot, elitist jerks, wowhead all say hello.

@Orctang-area-52

So, they what are you even talking about? Time to put the drugs down man!

Reading is hard for you. My comment was based on rotations only.

[Orctang-area-52 (Orctang)]

@Snozh-malganis

Thottbot, elitist jerks, wowhead all say hello.

Sorry, they didn’t have all the information that is available now a days.

@Snozh-malganis

My comment was based on rotations only.

Wrong, you said the game is easier than it has ever been:

@Snozh-malganis

Ironic considering the current game is easier that it’s ever been before.

Really it is time to put the weed down.

[Snozh-malganis]

@Orctang-area-52

Sorry, they didn’t have all the information that is available now a days.

There were always guides and information available.

@Orctang-area-52

Wrong, you said the game is easier than it has ever been:

And I later clarified in my next post.

@Orctang-area-52

Really it is time to put the weed down.

I dont smoke weed.

[Orctang-area-52 (Orctang)]

@Snozh-malganis

There were always guides and information available.

Sorry, all the character and gear sims weren’t always as easily available.

@Snozh-malganis

And I later clarified in my next post.

Yeah, moving the goalposts it is what you do.

@Snozh-malganis

I dont smoke weed.

Smells like it.

[Snozh-malganis]

@Orctang-area-52

Sorry, all the character and gear sims weren’t always as easily available.

They werent needed because backthen you had a BiS list because the only place you were getting gear from was raid.

you werent dealing with multiple pieces of loot from different sources with multiple stat variants.

@Orctang-area-52

Yeah, moving the goalposts it is what you do.

Nope, I just clarified what I meant. Jumping to conclusions and going full Karen is what you do.

@Orctang-area-52

Smells like it.

Nope, I probably should, would help me deal with small brained individuals like yourself easier.

[Cryostasis-moon-guard]

Are you complaining that it takes skill and some form of practice now to perform your class to the best of its potential? You could just not do the 19 point rotation and do subpar DPS, it won’t affect your day to day play. But it’s not a bad thing that the game is becoming more mechanically complicated instead of artificially complicated (larger HP pools for bosses, longer gearing and attunement periods). If you enjoy Vanilla… good for you. But in terms of PvE, the game is infinitely better nowadays. There’s space for casuals in Heroic and Normal dungeons as well as LFR, and there’s space for people who want a challenge and want to learn their classes well.

[Orctang-area-52 (Orctang)]

@Snozh-malganis

They werent needed because backthen you had a BiS list because the only place you were getting gear from was raid.

I guess you didn’t check out the classic bis gear lists. It’s cool though like I said this information wasn’t available back in the day.

@Snozh-malganis

Nope, I just clarified what I meant. Jumping to conclusions and going full Karen is what you do.

Nope moving the goalposts and acting like a Karen about it.

@Snozh-malganis

Nope, I probably should, would help me deal with small brained individuals like yourself easier.

If you had any brains left after all the smoking. Sorry, to hear about it.

[Snozh-malganis]

@Orctang-area-52

I guess you didn’t check out the classic bis gear lists

Which goes along with what I said.

@Orctang-area-52

It’s cool though like I said this information wasn’t available back in the day.

Yes it was, just because you didnt know where to look doesnt mean it wasnt available.

@Orctang-area-52

Nope moving the goalposts and acting like a Karen about it.

Clarifying isnt moving the goalposts.

PS youre the Karen thats nitpicking.

@Orctang-area-52

If you had any brains left after all the smoking. Sorry, to hear about it.

Like I said, I dont smoke. Not everyone is down on your level