I have become a wow refugee

[Iandore-thrall]

Not at all. That is an achievement.

With a one year timegate just to be allowed to fly.

No, dear troll

Not a smart thing to say.

As for the community of the game, it is exclusively console gamers and ff fans. As I have said repeatedly, mmo gamers are looked down upon and considered to be a nuisance as the way mmo gamers want to play (set roles) and the way ff fans want to play (dps all the time, who cares about the role) are completely opposed.

People who play FF14 are FF14 fans. This is…news?

It is an achievement that gives a reward. That is not required for progression nor is it a part of some console-like “campaign” you need to do before you get to the good stuff.

People who play ffxiv (a console game with mmo elements) play it like a console game instead of an mmo. People who play it like an mmo are looked at like they are barbarians at the gates to be relegated to second class status.

As the OP doesn’t realize, “wow refugee” is exclusively used derisively.

I will call a troll desperately defending another game (one that has more problems than wow does even in bfa) as some promised land as a troll. I could call them “shill,” but I don’t know if that is against the tos.

[Raelhorn-ravencrest (Raelhorn)]

I have played ffxiv. It is such a copy of wow in mop that even the reps in that game work the same way as the mop reps.

That is is being presented as some promised land by disgruntled wow players is just a bad joke.

They even have rare world bosses that give special items as mop did.

And your point is …?

And it’s not really being presented as “promised land”, just somewhere different with fewer issues to deal with and nicer people to be around.

… though considering the fact WoW seems to have gone WAY off track, anywhere else can come across as a “promised land”.

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Honestly, you should be asking yourself WHY you – yourself – are being overly defensive.

… because it comes across as a case of disturbing fanaticism.

[Iandore-thrall]

I have played ffxiv. It is such a copy of wow in mop that even the reps in that game work the same way as the mop reps.

That is is being presented as some promised land by disgruntled wow players is just a bad joke.

They even have rare world bosses that give special items as mop did.

And your point is …?

And it’s not really being presented as “promised land”, just somewhere different with fewer issues to deal with and nicer people to be around.

… though considering the fact WoW seems to have gone WAY off track, anywhere else can come across as a “promised land”.

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Honestly, you should be asking yourself WHY you – yourself – are being overly defensive.

… because it comes across a case of disturbing fanaticism.

It does not have less issues. It has all of the issues of wow (considering how hard they ripped off wow) along with self-created problems that wow doesn’t have.

As I said: As the OP doesn’t realize, “ wow refugee ” is exclusively used derisively. It is used in the same way some say “oh, they are just going to come into our country and ruin it like they did their own” like a smug person would say of someone seeking asylum. While it is called an mmo, the playerbase does not treat it like one and they consider you unwanted if you do so.

As for the community, it is by far worse than wow. It is technically “nicer” if you are the kind of guy to “sit back and take it” when some gatekeeper tries to pull rank on you, but I am not that kind of guy. The things done there regularly in the name of cliques would make even mythic raiders here too ashamed to show their faces.

I have never had someone threaten to kill me in wow just for not being on the good side of a popular linkshell (their game’s equivalent of communities) gm.

That you are so desperate to defend another game on this game’s forums that you call me a “fanatic” for being honest is just self-refuting.

I get it, you are disgruntled with wow and want to puff up the place you want to leave to as a better place. Take it from someone who came back to wow from ffxiv: I completed the entire game’s worth of content (including three expansions of relic weapons on my main class, and partially on another) in two months.

[anon44207803]

It is an achievement that gives a reward.

After a full year from launch. Note that as yet I cant fly.

That is not required for progression nor is it a part of some console-like “campaign” you need to do before you get to the good stuff.

Its a timegate FF14 doesnt have.

[anon44207803]

I will call a troll desperately defending another game (one that has more problems than wow does even in bfa) as some promised land as a troll. I could call them “shill,” but I don’t know if that is against the tos.

Except that isnt trolling. Disagreeing with you isnt trolling.

[Iandore-thrall]

It is an achievement that gives a reward.

After a full year from launch. Note that as yet I cant fly.

That is not required for progression nor is it a part of some console-like “campaign” you need to do before you get to the good stuff.

Its a timegate FF14 doesnt have.

And ffxiv’s system of flying is better in aquisition as it reminds me of how it is unlocked in console games (through picking up items on the ground).

What is not better is the level design, as the post hsw are gigantic, barren spaces that need a flying mount to get around in. Because they are so empty, they feel so small once you can fly, but are a total nuisance outside of that.

I will call a troll desperately defending another game (one that has more problems than wow does even in bfa) as some promised land as a troll. I could call them “shill,” but I don’t know if that is against the tos.

Except that isnt trolling. Disagreeing with you isnt trolling.

But trolling is trolling.

[anon44207803]

As the OP doesn’t realize, “ wow refugee ” is exclusively used derisively.

Says who?

[anon44207803]

And ffxiv’s system of flying is better in aquisition as it reminds me of how it is unlocked in console games (through picking up items on the ground).\

Much…much better in fact.

[anon44207803]

But trolling is trolling.

Disagreeing with you is not trolling, and I sincerely hope you arent flagging anyone.…you wont like how that ends.

[Raelhorn-ravencrest (Raelhorn)]

As for the community, it is by far worse than wow. It is technically “nicer” if you are the kind of guy to “sit back and take it” when some gatekeeper tries to pull rank on you, but I am not that kind of guy. The things done there regularly in the name of cliques would make even mythic raiders here too ashamed to show their faces.

Ah, now it makes sense.

Sorry, but the FFXIV community has a VERY low tolerance for self-important egotists. It wouldn’t be unusual for them to jump on people in FFXIV who start to disturb the social norms, especially in a selfish manner.

You do realize a HUGE chunk of the FFXIV community which came over from WoW moved there to specifically get away from that kind of behaviour?

Take it from someone who came back to wow from ffxiv: I completed the entire game’s worth of content (including three expansions of relic weapons on my main class, and partially on another) in two months.

So you rushed through the entirety of the game’s content, probably skipping the storyline the whole way, to focus solely on the “grinding” aspects in a vain attempt to get ahead… when the truth of the matter is, no one cares if you’re ahead or not in FFXIV.

I’m guessing that sounds more than a little foreign to the VERY social-ladder-minded WoW community… but again, many players leave WoW to ESCAPE the issues that has created.

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I wouldn’t be surprised if you haven’t done a single Hildibrand storyline, which just goes to show how much you’re missing out on… and by your own volition no less.

In which case, FFXIV definitely isn’t the game for you.

Just remember, when a community is nice to you…
… they expect you to be nice in return.

Woe to those who fail to grasp the basic principles of reciprocity.

[anon44207803]

Rael

He does sound defensive, doesnt he?.

I completed the entire game’s worth of content (including three expansions of relic weapons on my main class, and partially on another) in two months.

THREE expansions in two months? Your loss, I bet you dont remember any of it.

I intend to do all of that…in a year.

[anon44207803]

when the truth of the matter is, no one cares if you’re ahead or not in FFXIV .

i think I like the sound of that

[Iandore-thrall]

As for the community, it is by far worse than wow. It is technically “nicer” if you are the kind of guy to “sit back and take it” when some gatekeeper tries to pull rank on you, but I am not that kind of guy. The things done there regularly in the name of cliques would make even mythic raiders here too ashamed to show their faces.

Ah, now it makes sense.

Sorry, but the FFXIV community has a VERY low tolerance for self-important egotists.

You do realize a HUGE chunk of the FFXIV community which came over from WoW moved there to specifically get away from that kind of behaviour?

Take it from someone who came back to wow from ffxiv: I completed the entire game’s worth of content (including three expansions of relic weapons on my main class, and partially on another) in two months.

So you rushed through the entirety of the game’s content, probably skipping the storyline the whole way, to focus solely on the “grinding” aspects in a vain attempt to get ahead… when the truth of the matter is, no one cares if you’re ahead or not in FFXIV.

I’m guessing that sounds more than a little foreign to the VERY social-ladder-minded WoW community… but again, many players leave WoW to ESCAPE the issues that has created.

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I wouldn’t be surprised if you haven’t done a single Hildibrand storyline, which just goes to show how much you’re missing out on… and by your own volition no less.

In which case, FFXIV definitely isn’t the game for you.

Just remember, when a community is nice to you…
… they expect you to be nice in return.

Woe to those who fail to grasp the basic principles of reciprocity.

So your argument is that because I do not get down on my knees and worship online cliques, I deserve to be attacked. The irony is that I was told that exact same thing multiple times by people in ffxiv. They said I had to sit down and take it because of who they were.

My response was the same every time “if you want to live life on your knees, go for it; I refuse.”

The community expects you to be submissive to their self-created cliques. That is tyranny, not being “nice.”

I also did every post msq sidequest for each expansion that gives a reward before I moved to the next expansion. I even did each relic quest for each expansion before moving onto the msq of the next.

It is clear you belong there. you have that same personality, and are in such a honeymoon that you cannot see any of the game’s flaws. The question then is why are you still here?

If I am some “big bad wow player” (when I take wow less seriously than even the most casual player here) just because I stand up to e-bullies, shouldn’t you be trying to get away from me instead of trying to hound me here?

As the OP doesn’t realize, “ wow refugee ” is exclusively used derisively.

Says who?

Says me, who played ffxiv to completion and was called that a number of times. It was not a compliment. I have honestly been harassed and kicked out of fcs because I mentioned that I played wow. When I told people in ffxiv just where all the class design cue’s were stolen from in wow, I got cussed out and they would drop group.

And ffxiv’s system of flying is better in aquisition as it reminds me of how it is unlocked in console games (through picking up items on the ground).\

Much…much better in fact.

What you ignored is this:

What is not better is the level design, as the post hsw are gigantic, barren spaces that need a flying mount to get around in. Because they are so empty, they feel so small once you can fly, but are a total nuisance outside of that.

Rael

He does sound defensive, doesnt he?.

I completed the entire game’s worth of content (including three expansions of relic weapons on my main class, and partially on another) in two months.

Your loss, I bet you dont remember any of it.

There isn’t much to remember. Without the scaling the game would have barely any content.

when the truth of the matter is, no one cares if you’re ahead or not in FFXIV .

i think I like the sound of that

Then go play the game and try it. Believe me, what he said is not true. you can barely do anything mmo-like if you don’t have the msq done. Anyone who plays that game will tell you that msq need to be done first as they game is practically umplayable with all the things locked behind it.

[Raelhorn-ravencrest (Raelhorn)]

There isn’t much to remember. Without the scaling the game would have barely any content.

Yep, knew it.

Release the Godbert!

[Iandore-thrall]

@Raelhorn-ravencrest

@Iandore-thrall

There isn’t much to remember. Without the scaling the game would have barely any content.

Yep, knew it.

Release the Godbert!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOeQ9-0PTE8

If you finish that 3 hour fetch quest (about 3/4ths of the game is just going to another city to talk to a person and watch a cutscene) you get a battle pet!

Such content. What about the utter mind-shattering grind that are the relic/anima/eureka weapons?

[anon13771188]

No, dear troll, tanks are expected to use defensives on cd even on trash just so the healer can dps the whole time. More than once tanks have been told to “use pots” so the healer can get out of doing the role they signed up for.

You should use defensive cooldown if you’re a tank, trash or otherwise. Otherwise, you’re just a DPS with better defensive stats. And if you’re doing current extreme or savage content, pots give stat boosts to help you clear such contents easier. It has nothing to do with a healer not being a healer. A healer gets called out if they don’t heal.

In wow, it is looked down upon for a dps to sign up as an offspec healer for a shorter queue. In ffxiv, that is the given in any dungeon you play outside of static groups.

No it is not. Healer in FFXIV simply can do more than just healing to help the party. It does not make them an “offspec” healer.

In fact, it is so bad that tanks just about exclusively run in statics in ffxiv. It is bfa’s tank problem but taken to an extreme and institutionalized.

If tanks exclusively run in statics, by definition, so would healers and DPS. You do realize every duty requires a tank, right?

As for the community of the game, it is exclusively console gamers and ff fans. As I have said repeatedly, mmo gamers are looked down upon and considered to be a nuisance as the way mmo gamers want to play (set roles) and the way ff fans want to play (dps all the time, who cares about the role) are completely opposed.

Again, you’re not making any sense here.

As for the story, it is not only nonsense but dull nonsense. The game is so much better without msq that it is clear the game could be something special if they canned the console aspects and went full mmo. Really, the game only begins once the msq chores are done and you can play the mmo as an mmo. The dungeons are all very similar, the raids are all very similar. Each X.1, X.2, etc patches tend to have the same amount of dungeons and raids. It is as cookie cutter as it comes. Only thing truly better is the class design, and that is because it is wow’s class design from mop even down to half of the abilities being superfluous bloat.

You’re certainly entitled to your opinion on whether or not you find the story or dungeon interesting, but some of your assertions regarding role and console/mmo just doesn’t make any sense.

I will call a troll desperately defending another game (one that has more problems than wow does even in bfa) as some promised land as a troll. I could call them “shill,” but I don’t know if that is against the tos.

I am not desperate, simply participating in a forum discussion, and I don’t think FFXIV is a promised land. You made assertions about FFXIV that I disagree with. That doesn’t make me a troll, which is a person who makes a deliberately offensive or provocative online post.

Someone earlier mentioned something about the elderly and you’ve repeatedly taken shots at console gaming/gamer for some reason. Those examples would be closer to the definition of trolling (although they may not be intended to be) than me simply expressing my disagreement on an online forum.

I’m someone who’s actually getting into WoW for the first time, so I’m not interested in being a shill for any game/company. It’s not like I gain anything if WoW players were to try FFXIV.

[anon44207803]

nyone who plays that game will tell you that msq need to be done first as they game is practically umplayable with all the things locked behind it.

Yes, I already know. Ive known for weeks.

Doesnt worry me in the slightest. Looking forward to it.

The community expects you to be submissive to their self-created cliques. That is tyranny, not being “nice.”

“Tyranny”? Wut?

I also did every post msq sidequest for each expansion that gives a reward before I moved to the next expansion.

…and the rest? You didnt do any of it, did you?

I have honestly been harassed and kicked out of fcs because I mentioned that I played wow.

Thats interesting…see…I know people there, and they tell a different story entirely.

When I told people in ffxiv just where all the class design cue’s were stolen from in wow, I got cussed out and they would drop group.

I wonder why that might be…mate, Ill give you a small clue, Korea and Japan are BIG on manners. You seem to have had none.

That was just plain rude.

There isn’t much to remember. Without the scaling the game would have barely any content.

Thats funny, because even from the limited amount I did play in 2015…i remember the opening quests, the areas, and the opening training in combat.

I remember Lalafell, I remember seeing a chocobo, i remember conversations I had with players on Tonberry. They were kind, friendly, helpful…I trold them I played WOW and was seeing what FF 14 was like, and they said great have a good time.

I dont think the problem was them.

I think it was you.

[Raelhorn-ravencrest (Raelhorn)]

If you finish that 3 hour fetch quest (about 3/4ths of the game is just going to another city to talk to a person and watch a cutscene) you get a battle pet!

Such content.

At which point, you missed out the ENTIRE point of the Hildibrand questline.
No one cares about the loot rewards, it’s about having a laugh.

If you’re taking it seriously at all, or haven’t clued in that it’s meant to be stupid, silly fun, it’s time to get your head out of your butt and actually stop and smell the roses for once.

It doesn’t have to be all about progression.

[Iandore-thrall]

No, dear troll, tanks are expected to use defensives on cd even on trash just so the healer can dps the whole time. More than once tanks have been told to “use pots” so the healer can get out of doing the role they signed up for.

You should use defensive cooldown if you’re a tank, trash or otherwise. Otherwise, you’re just a DPS with better defensive stats. And if you’re doing current extreme or savage content, pots give stat boosts to help you clear such contents easier. It has nothing to do with a healer not being a healer. A healer gets called out if they don’t heal.

In wow, it is looked down upon for a dps to sign up as an offspec healer for a shorter queue. In ffxiv, that is the given in any dungeon you play outside of static groups.

No it is not. Healer in FFXIV simply can do more than just healing to help the party. It does not make them an “offspec” healer.

In fact, it is so bad that tanks just about exclusively run in statics in ffxiv. It is bfa’s tank problem but taken to an extreme and institutionalized.

If tanks exclusively run in statics, by definition, so would healers and DPS. You do realize every duty requires a tank, right?

As for the community of the game, it is exclusively console gamers and ff fans. As I have said repeatedly, mmo gamers are looked down upon and considered to be a nuisance as the way mmo gamers want to play (set roles) and the way ff fans want to play (dps all the time, who cares about the role) are completely opposed.

Again, you’re not making any sense here.

As for the story, it is not only nonsense but dull nonsense. The game is so much better without msq that it is clear the game could be something special if they canned the console aspects and went full mmo. Really, the game only begins once the msq chores are done and you can play the mmo as an mmo. The dungeons are all very similar, the raids are all very similar. Each X.1, X.2, etc patches tend to have the same amount of dungeons and raids. It is as cookie cutter as it comes. Only thing truly better is the class design, and that is because it is wow’s class design from mop even down to half of the abilities being superfluous bloat.

You’re certainly entitled to your opinion on whether or not you find the story or dungeon interesting, but some of your assertions regarding role and console/mmo just doesn’t make any sense.

I will call a troll desperately defending another game (one that has more problems than wow does even in bfa) as some promised land as a troll. I could call them “shill,” but I don’t know if that is against the tos.

I am not desperate, simply participating in a forum discussion, and I don’t think FFXIV is a promised land. You made assertions about FFXIV that I disagree with. That doesn’t make me a troll, which is a person who makes a deliberately offensive or provocative online post.

Someone earlier mentioned something about the elderly and you’ve repeatedly taken shots at console gaming/gamer for some reason. Those examples would be closer to the definition of trolling (although they may not be intended to be) than me simply expressing my disagreement on an online forum.

I’m someone who’s actually getting into WoW for the first time, so I’m not interested in being a shill for any game/company. It’s not like I gain anything if WoW players were to try FFXIV.

Healers don’t heal all the time, then call you out if you make them have to heal. THAT is what I mean by healers being tyrants in that game.

They are “nice” only as long as you agree with everything they say and move Heaven and earth to let them play as dps with better queues and worse looking armor.

That the queues for some roulettes in ffxiv constantly have a tank bonus says there is a problem. That dps queues can reach an hour long even at peak time says there is a problem.

If you have trouble understanding what I am saying, it might help to read my posts full and in context instead of trying to cherry pick fragments where you think you can “get me” on.

What is interesting is that you clearly admit you are a ffxiv player recently coming here. Why be here if there is as great as you insist?

nyone who plays that game will tell you that msq need to be done first as they game is practically umplayable with all the things locked behind it.

Yes, I already know. Ive known for weeks.

Doesnt worry me in the slightest. Looking forward to it.

The community expects you to be submissive to their self-created cliques. That is tyranny, not being “nice.”

“Tyranny”? Wut?

I also did every post msq sidequest for each expansion that gives a reward before I moved to the next expansion.

…and the rest? You didnt do any of it, did you?

I have honestly been harassed and kicked out of fcs because I mentioned that I played wow.

Thats interesting…see…I know people there, and they tell a different story entirely.

When I told people in ffxiv just where all the class design cue’s were stolen from in wow, I got cussed out and they would drop group.

I wonder why that might be…mate, Ill give you a small clue, Korea and Japan are BIG on manners. You seem to have had none.

That was just plain rude.

There isn’t much to remember. Without the scaling the game would have barely any content.

Thats funny, because even from the limited amount I did play in 2015…i remember the opening quests, the areas, and the opening training in combat.

I think I saw one Japanese player in my entire time on that game, so claiming their culture of “manners” (which is totally false if you have ever met them) is meaningless when the people who were throwing a fit over me pointing out class design flaws were just white people with cognitave dissonance like you are.

American, european, and japanese players do not interact with each other as the megaservers are completely separated.

As far as your idyllic addition to your post not quoted here, it is easy to try to invoke mayberry, but I know what the game is like right this second. The people in that game are incredibly insecure and their attitudes show that. As long as you massage their egos, and self-depreciate they will love you… right up until you stop massaging their egos. If you do not treat them like kid gloves they get “triggered” and flip out.

your constant defacing of wow will make you fit right in over there.

If you finish that 3 hour fetch quest (about 3/4ths of the game is just going to another city to talk to a person and watch a cutscene) you get a battle pet!

Such content.

At which point, you missed out the ENTIRE point of the Hildibrand questline.
No one cares about the loot rewards, it’s about having a laugh.

If you’re taking it seriously at all, or haven’t clued in that it’s meant to be stupid, silly fun, it’s time to get your head out of your butt and actually stop and smell the roses for once.

It doesn’t have to be all about progression.

I did see the “jokes.” Normally jokes are meant to be funny.

[anon42131214]

This thread sure has gotten a lot of wow fans panties in a bunch LUL