You guys sure spend a lot of time arguing with someones who’s admitted they’ve only played a few weeks of the game years ago.
In other words, it’s an outlier experience, something the typical players may not experience. There are bad people in any online game, but it doesn’t mean every player will experience only bad things from the community as a whole.
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I for one find it amusing.
I also spend most of my time on FFXIV now. It feels like what WoW would be if they kept building on what made wotlk great, instead of flip flopping design decisions every xpac and trying to reinvent the wheel.
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Curious, I can’t say I ever made that particular connection (and I actually didn’t watch the “Dragonsong” trailer until just now)… though I imagine that’s because I hold the opinion that “no flying” isn’t necessarily a bad thing.
Nevertheless, I won’t question that the lack of flying during WoD (particularly how it was handled) wasn’t well-received by the community… calling it a “betrayal” is a bit harsh.
That being said, there DEFINITELY is a strong under-current of betrayal throughout the Heavensward expansion (the whole premise of the expansion is the player character and the few allies he or she has left FLEEING persecution from a crime they’ve been falsely accused of)… I guess it would make a connection to some WoW players who weren’t liking the direction this game is taking.
Though I have to say term “WoW refugee” is more recent than the pre-amble to HW… or at the very least, it did not gain traction until the “novelty” of BfA wore off and the playerbase started cluing in that something was SERIOUSLY wrong with this expansion.
To me, it’s the flawed gameplay above all else… if only because I stopped caring about all the other “carrots-on-a-stick” the game has been trying to use like “gear progression” and “endlessly upgrading some key piece of gear through artifact power”. WoD still had good gameplay at least.
The gameplay was solid, everything else was just the trimmings… which is a good thing, WoW’s trimmings were never THAT good. The story, the only other aspect of WoW I could have cared about, has always been below my overall expectations; it has slowly but surely gotten better over the years, but it has never quite lived up to expectations. Alas, BfA does NOT have good gameplay… heck, it’s barely passable gameplay at this point.
BfA is an odd one with its divisive storyline, but I can see some merit to it… now if only they choose to develop the GOOD parts instead of trying to force the conflict for the sake of conflict, it would be much better overall.
Seriously, it’d be more fun to just join Saurfang instead for some small group adventures instead of trying to push this colossal “WAR!” storyline which seems to just making everyone feel awful.
Holy Hannah that is…beautiful. Thank you ![:grinning:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/grinning.png?v=6" ":grinning:")
I’ve been a WoW refugee too, for various different reasons at different times. I feel what you’re going through. FF and LOTRO were my refuges for the longest time. I hope you find yours too!
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Your welcome, I tried to put my thoughts then and now about the situation. Final fantasy 14 seems more like the game I don’t mind supporting at the moment. Their passion shows like when yoshi p dressed up as a gunbreaker in thancreds outfit at the last fan fest. To me actions speak louder than words. And those actions are pretty great right about now.
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But it does happen, and is used as an example of a larger problem.
My point is that healers are tyrants, which always happens when weak people get power.
At no point did my argument rely on those nasty healers sneering at people to use potions.
I love how you have a legion of angry frothing FFXIV haters coming to defend WoW when the OP mentioned the game only once in passage in a rather long post that was otherwise about current WoW and his/her disappointment. Insecurities?
As someone who has played both games (jumpshipped to FF during WoD, came back to WoW see the end of Legion, thinking of returning for pre-Shadowbringers and maybe come back to WoW later for classic) I think they could take pages from each other’s book right now.
From FF I would like Blizzard to try:
- A mythic difficulty raid of 10-man once in a while. It’s much more accessible, and it also gives you more responsibility as an individual. Not asking for all mythic raids to be 10-mans, but once in a while it would be nice to get something more accessible to smaller guilds.
- Up the difficulty of LFR and normal dungeons quite a bit, but make Ressurection work in combat, the limitation being its 10 second cast and a huge mana cost. This would teach players how to do mechanics without making it devastating to have an army of new players in your instance. Right now bad players don’t know they’re bad because the game does not punish them for their mistakes.
- Give healers a spell that immediately ressurects and full heals the entire raid, but it induces fatigue just like Time Warp or Heroism.
- Give tanks a spell that shields the entire raid for a long period, but it induces fatigue just like Time Warp or Heroism.
- Change the LFG and LFR tool so it can give you an old raid or dungeon, and give the game the ability to downscale you time-walking style if you’re going in an instance from a previous expansion. Also allow you to queue for a random LFR.
- Actual good music in raids during encounters? Uldir was the usual blood troll music, how boring is that? And when a boss gets its own soundtrack it’s usually not that good, like Kil’Jeaden’s looping 30 second track. Can we hear Daughter of the Sea when we fight Jaina please.
- Obviously housing, armor dyes, better crafting, etc. but those are system changes so not counting on those even in an expansion release.
Final Fantasy has a free trial, I signed up but haven’t downloaded it yet. i am going to give it a try myself. My friends are playing that game.
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This has a few caveats before it can work straight-away in WoW:
- WoW generally has poorly telegraphed attacks, so players will have a hard time learning even with this particular boon. This is one of the reasons why DBM and other similar add-ons are often “required” for high-end content in WoW.
- The pace of mechanics would have to change a bit for the long cast times to be somewhat doable. FFXIV tends to have more ebb and flow to the combat, phases where you’re clearly doing one thing and other phases you have other concerns; for example, most DPS checks in FFXIV tend to involve adds which spawned solely for the DPS check. Things would have to be more predictable as well.
- Something like Swiftcast for an instant-cast spell would be helpful (I think the mage ability/talent/whatever-it-is-now “Presence of Mind” does the same thing).
Clever, using something established in WoW (the debuff for Bloodlust and similar abilities) to fill the space of the Limit Break meter in FFXIV.
… the one downside is that you HAVE to give all DPS classes/specs their own super-attack to compensate. Probably only need one per class (for example, all Mage specs can use the same one), and different for each role.
Some could be AoE, some could be single-target… all are ridiculously flashy. And to be honest, it’s probably more interesting than a huge haste buff for 30-40 seconds.
Who wouldn’t love hearing this…
Fighting… well, ANYONE?
On a side note, how come the perfect theme for BfA came out in different game a whole two years before BfA was even announced?
I play ffxiv. I came in to temper the glowing… uhh… repeated, circular gladhanding of that game with my personal experiences with it just one week removed. you know, the one that you rather desperately ignore here in an attempt to strawman me.
On ffxiv forums, they are just as disgruntled about their game as people are about wow, and for the reasons I mention. Presenting the game as some sort of solution to all of wow player’s problems is just beyond delusional.
I tried FF14. It seemed really unpolished. It seemed to think all it needed was flashy spell animations. Maybe it’s because there’s no lore behind it.
The rest of your post didn’t make a whole lot of sense, though.
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Hey Tsavis
I was given an extra three months FREE when I signed up for a 3 month FF14 sub.
And three pets.
And some mog gear.
And…for the first time in two and half YEARS, I walked a city that wasnt plunged into eternal darkness.
Blue skies. A blazing sun. The glory of a city in full daylight.
That alone is worth every cent.
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I play ffxiv. I came in to temper the glowing… uhh… repeated, circular gladhanding of that game with my personal experiences with it just one week removed. you know, the one that you rather desperately ignore here in an attempt to strawman me.
Looking at your posts and your attitude…and your lack of manners…Id say a lot of the problems you had were of your own making.
While it is common to insist I deserve all bad things in the same way liberals and conservatives reflexively wish the same on one another, you used to be better than this.
Really?
What would I have said last year that i didnt and wouldnt say now?
Did you accidentally reply to the other thread in this one?
Applies in both cases, Its still me, I havent changed at all.
Im just not sure what it is I say now, that I wouldnt have said a year ago.