I’ll just have to disagree. I leveled up from 60 to 70 with just FC buffs (and just grade 2) pretty quickly.
Every buff counts although you certainly don’t need all of them. You also get plenty of exp from daily roulettes, deep dungeon, PVP, beast tribe quests, or just spamming the highest dungeon you can get into as you progress through the quests and unlock more dungeons, and even FATES if you feel like doing them.
Pretty quickly is meaningless. It took me a week to do 60-70 it on a non-tank. it can be done in 6 hours if you do HoH for 6 hours, but you would go insane long before then.
doing all the roulettes available to you daily gives maybe one level in the 60-70 range, and maybe a half a level once you are past 67-68.
A huge problem the game has is that xp gains in sb are the same as in hsw, but the xp required to level is 2-3x what you needed in hsw.
All I’m saying is it can be done. You can level up as fast or as slow as you want with buffs to help you and different activities to do.
What doesn’t work for you may work for others. It certainly doesn’t take me up to a week to level a non-tank job from 60-70, but it can take others up to a month. It all depends on what you want to do and what kind of buffs you have.
It depends on if it is a healer or if you have people to spam dungeons with you. Once more, you ignore so much that does not immediately fit your narrative.
I’m a DPS main whose preferred method of leveling is queueing for dungeons on my own because it allows me to do other things while I queue. In fact, I’m posting on this forum right now while I’m queueing for random BFA dungeon.
The problem being that there is more to do in wow while you wait AND you can queue for pvp and pve simultaneously.
I don’t do pvp and that’s besides the point.
Not at all. In ffxiv dungeons are practically all you can do to level there past a certain point.
And people pass that certain point at different rates and some never do because they do other things than just leveling. Not to mention you can also do things outside of the game.
So your argument is “it doesn’t matter how slow or how few options there are to level in ffxiv because you can go outside and not play it”?
That’s a new one, and that means something as I have heard a lot of stuff in my time.
I’m saying people are different, There are plenty to do in the game if you want to do them.
your example was that people can do things outside the game, and that excuses the lack of variety
You forgot this part:
That part is talking about doing things in the game.
And doing things outside of the game is not a bad thing. I’m posting on this forum while playing WoW. That’s not a bad thing about WoW. It’s a good thing that it allows me to do so, just like FFXIV.
Do you not see the absurdity with claiming “you can just do other things” in a debate about the flaws of a game?
Do you not see the absurdity of taking things out of context? I only mentioned I can do things while queueing solo (both inside the game and outside the game) as a DPS that’s why I prefer to queue solo because you thought that people had to queue with groups:
There is no context where “lol there is other things to do outside the game” is an argument for why a game is lacking.
The context is it wasn’t an argument. It was extra information to show why I queue solo. The point was I am a DPS who queue solo.
LMAO dude I did dungeons, 24-mans, pugged EX primals, Savage raiding, you name it. I’ve played the game since CBT up until about 6 months ago; the only period I skipped was when Gordias was the current raid tier because Living Liquid spanked my team and me and the BF weren’t having fun so quit for a while. I don’t even like the game that much and still can’t say I had huge problems with the community. Yes, most of the people who are saying they’re going to quit for XIV and are loving it so far are probably in the honeymoon period and will find endgame lacking once they play it for more than a few months. That still doesn’t mean healers berating tanks for not using healing pots is common.
It isn’t common, but it does happen. It is an extreme example of a problem that game has.
Blizzard in their “infinite wisdom” back before wod released, decided that flying was bad for the game, for some reason. They told millions of players that their hard earned flying mounts earned over 8 years were worthless.
Worse they led the playerbase along by saying. “Don’t worry flying is coming back wait and see!” And then they announced on a Friday on a 3 day weekend that flying is forever gone now and for future expansions.
I will never forget that betrayal.
Why do I mention this? Well a certain music trailer was shown a day before. the ffxiv Hevensward Dragonsong trailer Not only did Hevensward have flying, they embraced it, locked content behind it, and in at least one case incorporated it into the story.
This is where the term “wow refugee” earned traction I believe. Square-Enix and Final Fantasy XIV could not have asked for better pr. And still don’t to this day.
Let me be clear, I want wow to be better. But I greatly enjoy spending over a year getting from lv 50 to 70 by doing everything. From Hilderbrand to moogle quests to “remembering the fallen”.
Edit: The song is also somewhat appropriate to wow players. Feeling cast out into the cold, exiled, and having their trust betrayed. Only to be taken in by the wonderful, helpful community.