I hate how selfish people are

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Rant but just attempted an ulduar run, it failed due to people dropping after the fifth boss, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS LISTED AS A FULL RUN. Instead of being upfront about leaving early, they instead joined, then bricked the group by being selfish, like I wish I could say this isn’t a common occurrence, but…

If you join a group with the general expectation of the group to full clear the run, then stick with it. If you have ulterior motives, like completing the weekly quest, then please join a different group or make a group that is oriented around that. Over screwing over other people by leaving mid run. I know I might as well be screaming into the void about this, literally, and figuratively, but darn it all does it get frustrating after a while.

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Reminds me of the nitwits who bail at the first setback in a battleground and ruin it for everyone else in the first place. If someone’s mentality is “It’s all about me!” then they don’t belong in an MMO.

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When it comes to quest/content completion, its either a group effort or “I only need what I need”.

Odds are those people were on the weekly quest to kill 5 timewalking raid bosses/heroic
timewalking dungeons. And only wanted to complete that and dip. Some people are “all about me”, but thankfully the majority is group oriented.

I will say, I dislike weak willed people. Those types of people tend to cause most of the “bricking”

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People will tell you it’s always been this way, but it really hasn’t and it’s unfortunate.

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The vast majority of players are like that. It’s all about what’s in it for me and once that is satisfied they bounce.

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Right, it certainly wasn’t, and isn’t all the time, but the attention span and patience that people have for things has been severely eroded over the years. In which its not uncommon now for a singular wipe to happen, and then half or your entire group just leaves under the guise of “well if we wiped once then that means group is bad” nonsense. Mistakes happen, and people just either don’t understand that or literally have the expectation of every single time they do an encounter its going to be a oneshot, which is an unrealistic expectation to have.

Heck I remember heroic sylvanas being the most painful heroic boss I have ever had the displeasure of doing in a PuG format. (Now I have communities and guilds that clear the boss enough that I don’t have to PuG the end bosses typically.) Yet the number of times, especially during the early season I had groups brick after one wipe was astounding.

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I think it can vary. You can go for a completion run but people might perform very poorly or not to expectation. This I’d consider fair reason to leave.

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Man, you think that’s bad. You’ve clearly never tried a mythic mog run soon after it stops being current content and the raid suffers 1 wipe. It’s such a meme for so many years now that I coined a phrase especially for such people: One wipe charlies. :rofl:

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Well, I do that too, but it depends on the context. I have left a TW Raid group after completing the quest, but I was a DPS, and there were still 22 DPS in the group. Considering that the boss’s health scales with the number of players, I think my departure was insignificant for the group.

However, when I was a healer, the full group had 5 healers, so I stayed until the last boss because I believed that leaving could harm them. But if there were too many wipes, I think that would be a valid reason to leave.

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You sound pretty selfish yourself. Ulduar has been around so long most people don’t like full runs anymore. And if they do most farm it solo by flying to Northrend. If there’s something specific you want in their might I recommend farming it solo or getting your guild together.

But yelling at the community about how you feel is also selfish friend. And you’re not the only one this happens too. Unfortunately we are at the end of the season and not a lot of people are playing anymore. Well, not a lot compared to beginning of season. So there will be less groups to find. So if theres only one group forming and you need to complete a quest, why not join and complete the quest? You do know that TW dungeons slowly scale down the fewer people are in them right? So that guy leaving technically made everything in the dungeon slightly easier to kill.

But keep yelling into the void about how selfish everyone else is, ignoring the hypocrisy of the entire situation. Have a good day friend

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It’s 2025. Selfish is everyone’s middle name.

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So glad you can complete it with about half to 1/3rd the group. People like myself who have a ton of alts and are trying to get them raid/key ready for next season only care about the heroic loot at most vs the champ loot. But my druid i did a full run my evoker i did a half run into skip. Stop taking it so seriously when TW is really easy that 1/3rd the group can do it easily

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I guess no one lied to you before ?

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Eh. It’s been this way ever since cross-realm grouping outside of LFD became the norm (so, like mid WoD I think? Early WoD didn’t have Group Finder and before that it was just oQueue / Openraid which is inherently not as widespread due to being addon / third party stuff.

When it’s trivial to replace a person and bailing with no notice or a selfish reason doesn’t impact your ability to get reinvited / find groups for the next lockout, turns out people bail after they get what they want.

It’s been like this for a decade.

That said, it seems like the issue with this one in particular is that Blizzard does not properly separate the “Complete 5 dungeons” quest from the “Do the TW Raid” quest. If people are making a habit of slamming the first 5 raid bosses then dipping because it’s outright faster than running 5 full dungeons, then Blizzard needs to take notice and stop counting raid bosses for the dungeon quest. Separate them.

It’s a non-issue to replace a handful of leavers between bosses in an actual raid, but if it’s half the raid, it gets tougher, and re-forming in the middle of the TW raid is rough, because generally people either want only the last boss (there’s always tons of “[last boss] skip” groups) or they’re on an alt and want EVERY Boss for the loot chances because it’s essentially one big LFR wing with how its tuned. No reason to avoid any particular bosses and such.

So I guess I feel like this one is less of a player behavior issue (again, individually, a person here and there bailing is normally a non-issue, particularly in currently relevant endgame raids), and more of a design flaw with the overlap of the 2 quests.

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To be fair, that’s partially on how awfully designed Epic BGs are. They literally boil down to winning the first objective and failing that waiting around miserably for 30 minutes for the game to end. I can count on one hand the times where a comeback happened, and every time it did it was the most scuffed thing.

I agree, it sucks to see half the team up and bail but I also don’t exactly blame them, especially when the Deserter penalty is less than the actual BG.

Unfortunately, a good number of folks, especially in PuGs, are of the ‘I’ve got mine’ mindset. They know they’re not going to see these people again 99% of the time. Now there’s always been players like this, but that was more of a server problem in the past opposed to how it is now, where your server is just a fancy word after your name.

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Nice try with the hypocrisy angle, but no that doesn’t stick here, it would be one thing if I expected ALL groups to full clear. Yet its another when as I stated in my OP in this thread, it was a group that was formed with the intention to full clear. Personally if I only wanted to do five bosses, I would either join a group oriented for that, or make my own as to not disrupt what others are trying to accomplish.

Voicing my frustrations here isn’t being selfish either, if that was the case then every action that people take would essentially be considered selfish. Which to an extent could be held true, but them comes the issue of that lessens the meaning of the word selfish to begin with.

Now, of course the raid scales down based on group size, yet that doesn’t matter when either all the tanks or healers leave the run, and you have no method to be able to replace them. Which is what happened with my run, we lose both the tanks, and went down to me being the only healer, and meant the run ended as a result.

I’m not, of course the raid scales down based on group size, yet that doesn’t matter when either all the tanks or healers leave the run, and you have no method to be able to replace them. Which is what happened with my run, we lost both the tanks, and then went down to me being the only healer, and meant the run ended as a result. Poeple on here act like its a simple “4head” solution to things, or try to gaslight others into thinking its not as bad, or they’re the issue. When the truth is the community as a whole has degraded to the point where it’s primarily “me first and I only matter” when it comes to group content.

Tl:Dr: Not selfish as someone is trying to gaslight me into thinking, it may scale down but when you lose key roles then the run ends, and yeah it still sucks to form or make a group. Only for others with a “me and only me” attitude ruin it for other people by acting selfish for the reason of joining for the sole purpose of accomplishing what they want, but shafting the rest of the group after.

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And like I said, if that’s the only group forming then you would rather they miss out on completing a quest so you don’t have to watch fights get easier mid raid?

I ran Ulduar earlier this week, Yogg skip of course, and after two wipes 5 people left and we immediately downed him on the next pull.

And if you don’t want to deal with players griefing, play a single player game. Gamers have and will always grief if it’s possible because some people have nothing better to do. You are being selfish by complaining like your complaints are more important than anyone else.

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Again, I am not saying this, I am simply stating that if I make a group that explicitly has the goal of full clearing a piece of content. Then the general expectation is that people joining have the same intentions of clearing the raid as well. Personally I just wanted yogg, but the only groups going were full clears so I joined with the intention of clearing the raid, which is what about half had intended as well. Along with I never said my complaint is more important than anyone else’s, that’s something you made up.

By the literal dictionary definition, which is as follows: Selfish (of a person, action, or [motive]) lacking consideration for others: concerned chiefly with one’s own personal profit or pleasure. They are the ones being selfish, I am not, if I make a group and lay out what the expectations are, and people join only for their own gain and in turn cause harm to others. Then they are LITERALLY being selfish, on the other hand if I made a group with the expectation that everyone stays for the full clear without stating as such. Then I would be selfish for both expecting, and accusing them of leaving early, even though I didn’t set the expectation from the start.

In a way everyone is selfish at all times, be it inside or outside of the game, but the crux of the issue is the people that left caused a serious detriment to the groups ability to work through the raid. Which caused the group to collapse, and I am justified in that regard to voice my frustrations whether you think that’s selfish or not.

Now I do not expect people to stay in a failing group, that is something that no one should be expected to do. If its not going well, then its best to call it and reform at another time with different people to try and get the content down.

In any case this argument has become circular, so there’s no point in continuing to hash this out. Have a good rest of your day!

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It’s easy to be judgemental and point fingers. It’s hard to try to put yourself in other people’s shoes and actually empathize.

You have no idea what caused them to “brick” the group. If anything, you’re being selfish by assuming they had malicious intend.

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I noticed this happening more often.

Last week it happened in a Black Temple run on one of my Alts. More than half the group just bailed after the 5th boss, even the tanks. I felt bad for the guy who started the raid. It was a pug and I didn’t know him, but he was bummed.

I was on my DK, so I started tanking, and the few who remained continued. It was fun - we were a plucky little group of leftovers, and we got it done.

But if I didn’t tank, it would have fallen apart completely. I’m sure that happens.

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