Don’t you mean higher (unless if people played around in the range Blizzard removed?)
2-10 don’t exist, m0 can be equal to a 10 I suppose.
Idk I hit my wall much faster than I did in DF s2 didn’t play in s1. Now granted I don’t push for IO I just get Ksm and do aotc…but what I’m saying is in my experience I pushed into the range of where keys are too chaotic and unfun for me way faster than I did in DF. Weather that means gear was easier to get or for whatever reason I’m not sure. Just that it got there faster than I did in DF
Have to compare s1 to s1. S1 is often harder than S2.
I mean sure…I was just giving my experience on what I thought. I don’t really have any kind of experience on high keys so I can’t compare about “difficulty” most people don’t consider where I usually stop to be dificult. But I met my goals a lot faster this season than I have prior
Oh, so it’s easier…
Compared to what DF? In my experience yes. But I didn’t play s1. He’ll I didn’t do any keys or raids past lfr prior to DF and I’ve been playing since BC so I’m probably not a good person to even make that comparison lol
So the issue is they made the game too easy, and people feel like they should be able to do higher keys (vs what they’ve done in the past) because they are now there?
Like delves removed the need for keys below 7 now.
I don’t think there is an issue. I’m happy with how TTW is I’m not even sure what we are arguing about. But I also don’t play like most players. I litterally just stop when the game becomes too difficult and unfun for me till the next season. Blizzard shouldn’t be removing any content for me. Ultimately if I could change something I’d probably just make the apms on classes lower lol.
It’s not like you’ve got to go out of your way to fill vault slots, it happens passively if you do more than just sit in dorn.
You think you’re the only person who doesn’t get what they want from the vault?
If you think spending time to fill your vault slots is a waste of time then boy are you going to be surprised when I tell you how much time you’re wasting playing a game in the first place…
“it’s better than it was” ignores that it could be still better than it IS. Blizzard has not solved this issue yet. Once they do, it will be even better than you had it back in the stone age. If you want things to stay as they were then why are you not playing classic era?
I know you weren’t asking for me but no. This is when I feel like the game truly begins.
Without the vault the game would be balanced around there not being a vault and I would be much happier.
Obviously not. If I did, then I wouldn’t be posting. You fail to understand this is a suggestion for the betterment of the game. You don’t understand the concept of constructive criticism.
This vault system is one of the major elements holding WoW back from the greatness that it could achieve.
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I’d love to hear this proposition of how you could make the game better by removing the vault?
I’m not failing to understand anything aside from how you think what you have to offer is constructive.
If the vault had some kind of reroll, that would be nice. One free reroll a week and maybe a special currency for others.
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i think you should be able to choose what pc you get in your vault out of the instances that you completed. so run 8 keys, and youll be able to pick ANY piece of gear from your vault, instead of opening up your vault and getting trash to choose from.
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So you think the game would remain completely the same if the vault were removed, that we just wouldn’t have access to that gear? hah
The Blizzard team would balance the game based on no vault being available, and create a different means to time-gate progression.
The vault is a way for blizzard to create balance over time. It is not a bonus, but a means of controlling how fast people progress. The problem is, it is not even. Some people get lucky (anyone watch Gingi’s stream? his evoker …) and some people go for weeks without upgrades.
Ultimately the way the human brain works, we remember negative things more than positive so even if we are slightly more lucky than unlucky the vault feels bad.
There are much better solutions that blizzard could use to gate power progression over time. Bonus rolls, bullion, upgrade tokens. Or they could just remove it and balance the game around natural drops
Removing the vault would certainly not happen in a vaccum
It is. You have offered nothing constructive.
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I would say, you either take vault choice or 1 bullion,
2 bullions = 1 selectable item.
That would be ideal.
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All I see is someone didn’t get what they wanted.
You, your self even state that any changes made would be another time gate… so what’s the point? I’m a returning player and I can’t stand the time gating nonsense but it is a byproduct of player feedback and revenue generation that we’ve got to accept if we’re going to play this game.
As far as filling the vault slots… it’s not a chore in the slightest, these are things that passively happen over time by just playing the game and doing weekly things. There is literally no going out of your way.
A free item every week that I would not have had other wise is not a bonus? huh? How is giving me more gear slowing down my progression? Make it make sense.
You were given an inch and now you want a mile.
There is nothing constructive to offer here as we discuss the wheel, it doesn’t need reinventing.
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Someone got unlucky for a week and is on the attack now. 
Wouldn’t bother to be honest. They aren’t going to get what they want and any disagreement is met with snark at best.
For the majority the vault is just a bonus piece weekly that will (hopefully) fill in a few slots with upgrades over the season. That some take an unhealthy approach to it can be applied to anything in the game and doesn’t in itself constitute a problem.
Let’s go back to having 1 chest that contains a drop across all the dungeons since people want to complain
I see the vermin are breeding
Found a mate did ya?