I had low expectations but this xpac is a whole new level of bad

[Kentaurus-turalyon (Kentaurus)]

Your post has the same energy.

[Jackoltins-moon-guard]

The raid, M+ and PvP season have not even started yet and we’re already reviewing TWW like it’s had a full expansion cycle when the 3 main pieces of content have not even been released yet?

[Arkell-amanthul]

@Stalarac-aegwynn

To sum up my experience in a* (edit grammar) shorter amount* (edit grammar) words so far: Boring, Tedious, Frustrating, Rehashing identical forms of quests and world events from DF, Relabeling slightly tweaked old ideas as new ones, QoL improvements being the only thing worthwhile and new feeling but then relabeled as features

I am sure i’ll get more than one comment blaming me for playing the game ‘too fast’ or something along those lines and somehow turn this around into being my own fault for not liking the game… I would say save it… but I know you wont, so have at it! I am just sharing my experience of the xpac so far, of how I play the game, the things I like and mostly dislike. I would also just love to point out to the people who cannot help themselves, when I am loving wow, I am not in the forums… Wonder what you cats are doing here!? Sorry couldn’t help myself either.

Had low to zero expectations coming into the expac - while some people ranted and raved about the features announced at blizzcon all I saw was a bunch of rehashed features (delves, hero talents) and the only new addition to actually remotely look forward to would be warbands (dependent on how this was implemented). It honestly felt as though anyone excited either hadn’t played the several previous expansions where various forms of these features already existed - or they had short memories.

With all that said - everything about this expac was even worse than I had initially expected, with it being the more boring and lacking activities than any other xpac I have played. I am not even trying to say I predicted it being bad - because I did not predict this… You may be asking well if you had zero expectations how can something be a disappointment? That is with the baseline expectation of at least a couple months worth of random material to get through, maybe a few weeks to a month for the speed runners. In this expac, you can literally do the campaign quests in a day - they are boring but easy. You can finish up pathfinder pretty soon after. Sojourner quests take about a day or less if you rush them - again just boring and tedious, oh plus a random time lockout - which feels like a theme to this xpac. Before the first weekly reset I feel as though there is nothing to do or just go do a bunch of DF world quest type activities. Delves are at a stand still - your only basic option is to grind something whether it be pvp, brann levels in delves, professions (which are incredibly tedious and deserve their own part). My major point being I know that there is always a break between the xpac release and S1 starting… but that 2 week break should not feel like an empty gap with absolutely nothing to do. It should feel like you are bouncing between things hoping to be ready for the season to begin.

Now for each feature and what I think about them:

Professions (just because it came up): Literally identical to DF in their form factor - which was not exactly the most fun experience - at least one I didn’t want to re-do. Some professions you level up like crazy but get no points to spend - like my skinning which i got to 100 in zero time at all - however actually gaining resources is still incredibly slow and still getting low quality because of having so few points to spend. The balance to gathering to crafting feels WAY off - even worse than DF in the way it feels like you farm for an hour, then craft 2-3 recipes and are completely dry again. Also just thought it is worth mentioning - I wanted to get a missive to test if my renown was broken as it seemed to stop going up for one of my factions. I go to check the price of a ‘contract’, an inscription recipe, and the teir 3 option is 30,000G. That provides 15? rep per world quest completed or something like that? It is absolutely rediculous - So I figured hey I’ll see what ins/herb is like on my druid and boy was it ever slow. It makes sense why the recipe cost 30,000g but by the time it ever becomes cheap nobody will even want one. I probably would have hardly noticed all my gripes with crafting had there been more stuff to do.

Delves: Still to be determined - at this point they feel highly reminiscent of torghast* (correction auto-corrected itself before) due to being stuck at level 3 and it not being particularly difficult and not having to worry about deaths/lives. I could see how they could eventually be a fun way to gear when you aren’t in the mood to deal with groups. I am probably an outlier in that I do all my m+ and raiding as a pug, so these delves definitely appeal to be as a player. Although having to wait the 2 weeks again feels unnecessary - and only because of the lack of other things to do.

Warbands: Don’t get me wrong… I am a fan of the improvements they have made… But these are QoL improvements with a fancy unnecessary name and system. At first I was confused thinking my top 4/favorites were the only characters in my warband and I could only have one. I quickly realized this was just a visual application and that all your characters are in your warband. Okay great. Now what does it do? From what I have noticed, you get your account wide bank with gold storage, auto-learning tmog when selling + allowed to learn the tmog of items we can’t use, sharing currency in a more sensical manner, and more ability to share gear with alts… These are all great improvements, however they could have been added without the ‘warbands’ labeling and would have been just as good. It’s an unnecessary gimmick to me - likely to make us feel like they added more features than they really did.

Hero Talents: I had the least expectations of this one and it is even more laughable than I could ever expect. Literally anyone who ever talked about this as something they were excited for just marked them as when they started playing, nothing more. This ‘extra talent’ feature has been featured in at least 2 xpacs I played and probably even more than that. The covenant ability is also a rehash. BUT THEN WHAT THEY DID WITH IT!?
They literally re-arranged most of the talent bars and just placed some of the talents in the middle. At least that’s how it is on my hunter and DH where they seemingly didn’t get a single new ability. It’s all passive garbage. At least when they attempted this before they went all out and gave actual good and game changing abilities. This feels like the laziest attempt possible - it actually feels like a contest in laziness… Like ‘who can come up with the idea that takes the least amount of work - ok go!’. And then once again - I would normally pass these over and not even care about how bad or dumb it is - because there would be so many features and things to do and see - but nope not in this xpac, where we’re already sitting in the main city (lost) and scratching our heads about what to do

I suspect you understand where the log off button is.

[Grobb-whitemane]

There is not a single redeeming quality about this expansion. The maps are lame, dungeons are the worst in WoW history, the story / lore is pathetic, Delves are a bust, mob scaling shouldn’t be in a MMORPG, the world is DEAD, classes feel homogenized, hero talents are boring, I could go on.

This is the worst expansion in WoW history and it’s mot even close.

[Bitz-amanthul]

I agree TWW is a glorified dragonflight patch. Even WoD had heaps to do at this point: proving grounds, challenge mode, garrison upgrades, followers, mission tables etc etc. I have never been so bored at the start of an expansion and delves isn’t going to save it whenever they allow us to actually play them properly. It’s shocking they charge AAA pricing on top of a sub for so little

[Pulemy-windseeker]

Who said I am back?

[Platinumtwo-benediction]

@Pulemy-windseeker

This is the cycle of players like me and OP.

Quit the game, go play something else. Start to miss WoW. Check out the new expansion. Realize it’s even worse than it was before somehow. Repeat.

well this guy did. idk who it could be

[Arkell-amanthul]

@Sarama-firetree

Here’s my proof, that’s not actually proof at all…

taah daah, solo delves, solo dungeons even solo raids for story…

@Stalarac-aegwynn

With all that said - everything about this expac was even worse than I had initially expected, with it being the more boring and lacking activities than any other xpac I have played.

theres littereally more content in teh release than any other before it, except maybe Cata, but go on…

@Stalarac-aegwynn

ou may be asking well if you had zero expectations how can something be a disappointment? That is with the baseline expectation of at least a couple months worth of random material to get through, maybe a few weeks to a month for the speed runners

what was it… hours, and has been for the past 5 exp? Moot pointZ

@Stalarac-aegwynn

Professions (just because it came up): Literally identical to DF in their form factor - which was not exactly the most fun experience - at least one I didn’t want to re-do.

This i agree with, multi layering proffs, craft 15 of these so you can craft 5 of those, just to craft one of them… that system can eat my @$$

@Stalarac-aegwynn

Hero Talents: I had the least expectations of this one and it is even more laughable than I could ever expect. Literally anyone who ever talked about this as something they were excited for just marked them as when they started playing, nothing more. This ‘extra talent’ feature has been featured in at least 2 xpacs I played and probably even more than that. The covenant ability is also a rehash. BUT THEN WHAT THEY DID WITH IT!?
They literally re-arranged most of the talent bars and just placed some of the talents in the middle. At least that’s how it is on my hunter and DH where they seemingly didn’t get a single new ability. It’s all passive garbage. At least when they attempted this before they went all out and gave actual good and game changing abilities. This feels like the laziest attempt possible - it actually feels like a contest in laziness… Like ‘who can come up with the idea that takes the least amount of work - ok go!’. And then once again - I would normally pass these over and not even care about how bad or dumb it is - because there would be so many features and things to do and see - but nope not in this xpac, where we’re already sitting in the main city (lost) and scratching our heads about what to do.

And I’d put 12 years worth of WoW time on the line if you were not the first to say “they’re ruining class identity”, but then when removed saying "they’re taking away class identity.
I play a dark ranger on my hunter. why cause i love the fantasy. is it gonna be viable… to early to see.

does it matter? F&*# NO. grow up. play the game, if you dont like it, f off. if you cant paly a bad spec competitively… then MIN MAX your heart out. I’m more pissed that the community treats people learning to tank like trash, and those learning to heal for that matter. its like “you may be the tank/Healer, but this is the pace” set by Fhead DPS. this is where the go go go, came from. Blizz should implement an aura that increases DPS within a certain range of the heals

[Fairlight-emerald-dream]

Loving it too. I can’t remember the last time an expansion didn’t offer you a choice on where to level (Draenor? 10 years ago?), or where everything was hard-scaled, or where there wasn’t a nice, classic progression of open world content, leading you to the obvious big bad realm. Only, instead of scaling mountains and then the Icecrown glacier, we’re going underground and deeper and deeper.

The quests that provide choice - however small - and copious amounts of dialogue (even non voice acted) adds a layer of immersion that’s been missing to me.

I liked DF, but damnit if I didn’t feel more engaged by the story of scout Wayshelm then Sendrax, and Wayshelm wasn’t even voice acted! Just dealing with finding his dead squad and then placing on of their belongings near a memorial made me feel like the world existed before I got there. That the story isn’t necessarily revolving around me, but im immersing myself in it.

The music is absolutely magical, too.

[Pulemy-windseeker]

Yea. There are other games I’m playing atm. I haven’t bought TWW.

[Platinumtwo-benediction]

so basically your addicted to wow news but wont ever try it to see if its actually bad. got it.

[Gwennedl-grobbulus]

Sounds like you speed ran all the content and are upset at blizzard because of a decision you made, go level an alt or something… these weak behind complaints behind walls of text, saying little to nothing. If you find it boring, play something else for a time, while you wait for things to open up… it’s not that deep.

[Pulemy-windseeker]

Ah yes typical “you can’t criticize the game if you don’t play it.”

Immediately after the old “why are you playing the game if you don’t like it?”

People like you just don’t like criticism. Stop taking criticism of a video game personally.

[Pulemy-windseeker]

All the “content”

No, there just is no content.

[Gwennedl-grobbulus]

If that helps you sleep at night, you keep telling yourself that. I still got plenty to do, but I’m also not on WOW for 10-15 hours a day and tend to play other games, hell I got and installed the Wukong game yesterday… gonna give that a go.

[Platinumtwo-benediction]

and people like you dont make sense. if a game is as bad as you say it is, and you never play it, but say its bad. why do you keep going back? as you said its a game. move on with your life. go be happy. its super weird to be addicted to coming back to something you clearly do not want to experience anymore.

like if i hated a pizza spot and every day i go in front of the store saying how bad the pizza is and i havent eaten there in 5 years but man i just gotta go there every single day to check on the store and say how bad it is. in what reality does this make sense to do?

[Pulemy-windseeker]

I’ve put 0 hours into the game and I feel like there is nothing to do.

[Gwennedl-grobbulus]

Ahh… a classic andy i see.

[Sallih-area-52]

Delves feel nothing like torghast to me, the rewards are nice and the content is much more varied. Thats like saying raids feel just like dungeons feel just like quest mobs.

[Pulemy-windseeker]

why do you keep going back?

Who said I am going to play TWW? If I’m bored enough I might. That’s my business.

like if i hated a pizza spot and every day i go in front of the store saying how bad the pizza is and i havent eaten there in 5 years but man i just gotta go there every single day to check on the store and say how bad it is.

This is a discussion forum my friend.

Imagine going on r/pizza and chastising somebody for criticizing little ceasers. That’s literally the whole point of the forum.

Wtf are people like you doing on a discussion forum if criticisms of your favorite game makes you shake and cry and night?