Right now titanforging serves a very useful purpose in the game. It gives people who have hit a gearing wall some reason to keep doing content.
Now that doesn’t work so well for people doing world content because titanforging of value is too rare for us but for people who can’t mythic raid because of their server or guild, it gives them reason to keep doing mythic plus dungeons.
I’m very confused by this, because I’m always told by the pro TF crowd that
So is it in the game to “keep doing content” or is it not meant to be farmed?
Sorry, it just changes every other post based on what benefits their argument at the time. It gets confusing
And I like D3. I don’t want your structured reward system. I suspect a lot of people would find that system extremely boring. It turns the game into a job rather than a game.
I like D3 as well. I expect a D3 loot system when I play D3 and a WoW loot system when I play WoW. I don’t expect them to cross over as they’re different genre of games.
As for my loot system… It’s only been the loot system of the current game for iunno… the vast majority of its life span?
As for TFing, as I said… It literally changes nothing about the gameplay experience aside from a random dopamine hit. There’s no player input, there’s no player output, there’s no effort, there’s no change to your tasks, literally nothing changes… You just randomly get rewarded.
I agree with the structured reward system. It’s gives me tangible goals I can work towards
Right now the gearing feels like a random chaotic job where I never know if I’m going to get paid or not
Correct. WF is fairly common, but TF is not (especially the 40+ that keeps being thrown around). Clearly he meant forging in general.
That is also correct.
It is a potential reward for continuing doing content you normally would not receive a reward from. So you can be rewarded for doing a dungeon/raid that you normally would not receive an update from. Also because of the rarity of the large forges you would not do farmable content for the rare chance of a high forge. Just do content as you would and enjoy it when it drops.
Not sure how it is confusion, you mostly had it down.
It hasn’t been that way since MoP and guess what people complained about that VP system in MoP. They complained about people like me being able to upgrade our gear and end up with almost the same ilvl as normal (aka heroic) raid gear. Even then RNG was a huge part of the game. The game has always been a dopamine hit when good gear drops.
People complain about casuals being able to achieve ilvl without raiding now by doing easy content but the game has been like that for years now.
But why would I ever do content that wouldn’t normally be rewarding?
Yes I know someone will say “because it’s fun!” Let’s be very honest with ourselves. People aren’t doing that WQ for the 25th time because it’s “fun” they’re doing it hoping that that 370 trinket will TF. And when it doesn’t the feel like they wasted their time
There’s a reason people aren’t happy with the current system. It’s built for lazy drug addicts
Dear diary…
Alright, I will destroy your whole argument step by step. Pay attention, I’m going to try and go slowly here so you can understand.
So let’s start with your pizza. If you don’t like it, you could just refuse to consume it since you don’t like it, or you could simply still eat it because you have nothing else in your fridge and you would rather eat something you dislike than skip a meal.
Secondly, you say if I think titanforging is ruining the game for me, I should delete it. I wouldn’t delete it still for multiple reasons. 1. Deleting does not bring me any closer to my goal, which is getting rid of titanforging. 2. If I get 425 from my cache and I delete it cuz its titanforged, well I am just skipping on a week of loot from my cache since simply bc I delete it, it doesn’t mean it gets replaced by a non titanforged 410 item. So it’s a loss-loss situation.
An other reason you can have for still wearing titanforged gear is simply bc you want to stay competitive and on par with everyone else in terms of ilvl. If you are a competitive raider like myself and always want to push parses or just dps/hps, then you need to have access to titanforging because your opponents also have access to it, whether its guilds that you are competing against in terms of progression or players in parses. They have access to titanforging gear, so I need to have access to it to to even have a chance at beating them.
Again, Blizzard doesn’t monitor how many players delete/refuse to wear their titanforged items bc they dislike the system. They can’t say ‘‘OH look 20% of the players refuse to equip titanforged items, this means 20% of players dislike the system’’. My defiance against titanforging is not being monitered by blizzard in game. Blizzard won’t have a single clue whether I refused to wear such items because im against titanforging. They will never know other than If I communicate about it on forums or in game suggestions.
In the end, I hate everything about titanforging because it defeats the purpose of fullfilness in trade for temporary excitement. I use titanforged gear because it servers towards an other purpose that I have, which is competing at the highest level possible against other players WHO DO have access to titanforging and use these items.
They complained about the VP system in MoP true. For VERY different reasons…
The gear system in MoP had a hard cap… So no… normal mode raiders were no where close to as geared as heroic mode raiders.
As for people complaining about casuals being able to achieve ilvl without raiding, that started in Legion. In Legion, the players that were deemed “casual” then were the people who did a single +10/15 a week for their heroic to mythic level gear. In BfA, that has now shifted to people doing WQ acquiring heroic level gear. People who still just do a single +10 a week are within 3-5 ilvls of mythic raiders.
But in WoD was it like this? No… Not even close… I was a heroic raider in HFC and there was a distinct difference between my maximal DPS output and a mythic raiders maximal DPS output. It was the same in MoP.
Why push keys? Why continue to do heroic with your guild? Why do world quests? I should say “gear reward”. Also you are OK about “hard working” drug addicts? Also lol at calling people playing a game lazy.
Why would you eat something you hate ? Too poor or lazy to get something else ?
If you are using it in that way you don’t hate it. Be honest now, it is helping you achieve your goals.
correct but does blizzard really have to change the game for you or can you just not adjust yourself to the game to make yourself happy.
That is just how you want to look at things. There is nothing in titanforging that says to you you didn’t earn this.
I am getting to the rest of the paragraph, it doesn’t get any better.
For better rewards
For better rewards. Takes several times through to get all your gear
For better rewards. Azerite is mandatory. Abilities are locked behind it. It’s not enjoyable but I do them to get my neck to a level to unlock my traits
Yeah, at least they’re beneficial
I’m forced to use it bc other players use it dumb dumb. If nobody had titanforging, I WOULDNT NEED TITANFORGING TO STAY ON PAR.
Am I talking to a freaking wall ?
Then we return to… I guess everyone who despised the original incarnation of Azerite armor is just hypocrites… Right? After all they used the armor to accomplish their goals! Right?
Or… We’re validly calling a trash system trash. Now if you want to state that you enjoy gambling, then that’s fine. All the power to you. But acting like it’s inappropriate to use a system and then subjectively evaluate why you dislike it… That’s just ridiculous.
Yea Lasin, I’m curious, please respond to this. Everyone using Azerite armor despite disliking the system is a hypocrite ? lmfao
Yes this is the remove tier and trinkets from LFR argument because I don’t want to run it but I don’t want others to be able to run it either. Whoever, said you guys are alturistic are wrong.
You’re trying too hard. And you’re lying. You came to brag, you love the pieces that you got. Maybe it’s you who should stop. And maybe it’s, gasp, YOU who lacks intelligence. Just a thought.