You keep repeating this, and it’s just as dumb as the first time you said it. You have zero proof that performance is the reason monk isn’t played a lot either. The simple facts are, even when monk specs are strong, they’re still at the bottom of representation. This is fact, and has been that way since monk was introduced.
Given this simple to grasp fact, we can easily deduce the more likely scenario…
(1) monk has low representation due to performance - your stance
(2) monk’s low representation is due in part to being an unpopular class - what you’re arguing against.
Monk could be the strongest tank by far, and it still won’t scratch the representation of war, pally and druid overall. Now you can keep arguing asinine points or accept you’re wrong and move on.
this isnt true and has no supporting basis. the last time they were close to meta was season 3 of bfa. in 20+ keys they had the highest representation even though prot pally and prot war were also very good.
yes this is part of it as proven by my above statement.
no im not and have even said that part of it is that they dont feel good which makes them unpopular feel is more than just power its how fun a class is to play and power is just part of that.
look at 20+ keys for bfa season 3 and tell me how true you think that is, just a side note its weird that you chose druid and not bdk for that example since bdk is pretty consistently a fan favorite in the game.
You keep conflating meta level keys with overall representation, which is about as disingenuous as you can get. Of course the meta players will play the meta class when it’s overtuned. But the number of overall monks playing during those brief times barely moved, because monk is an unpopular class. The fact you can’t grasp something this simple is staggering.
this isnt true eithier the very next season where they werent the top they lost 3% overall players. edit: representation overall not 3% players
show me where i have argued against monk being unpopular? you seem to be stuck on this which is weird to me because i have said as much. can you not read, do we need to give a tutor?
lawl just had to point this out as well at this point im pretty sure you are just in your own headcannon arguing with yourself.
edit: also wante to point out that monk wasnt over tuned and im curious if you can figure out the reason why they were good at season 3 for bfa. there are two main ones lets see if you can figure it out lol.
so we are going to ignore all my other facts for something that i even addressed. ok cool lets go grade school level with you. showing class participation go up when they are strong is tied directly into one of my arguments… that more people play when its strong. the over participation goes up for that class when its strong as well. no where did i say the class wasnt unpopular overall. nothing about what i said is untrue unlike you.
that is such a freaking silly statement that i actually laughed at it. like yea no kidding it low population and it has a low participation overall like thats what i was pointing out. that they are also an outlier just at the opposite side of the spectrum. part of that is that they arnt as strong overall and they have a much higher skill celling to get anywhere close to the same results as other tanks. which btw falls into the feel category
Looking only at numbers, brew has less numbers in higher keys. However, they have almost half the amount of players overall compared to the other tanks. When this total class representation is taken into account, brew is more represented at higher key levels than guardian, vengeance, and blood. This is why representation without looking at popularity is as meaningless here as it is when looking at arena.
not when the question is about how popular a class is and in brews case why a class isnt played. the total players per class pushing in said class is irrelevant to the question of why are people not playing brew in similar numbers to the other tanks. we get that within brew they have a similar % pushing but there overall representation is extremely limited compared to their direct competition even if we exclude pally and warrior.
That’s never been the question and there’s no straight answer to it. There are many factors that lead into lower class popularity, the least defining of which is something extremely volatile like spec strength.
Firstly, as far as raid tank balance goes, prog is all that really matters.
Secondly, it matters because Blizzard is not going to do massive tuning changes that buff Brewmaster in both multi-target tanking and single target (raid) environments, which will make it overpowered in the latter. Most suggestions I see in this subforum would effect both, which is not going to happen. Brewmaster just needs a slight talent rework to fix underpowered/unused talents, in the process adding AoE scaling like all other tanks get, and then add some more unique/useful utility and we’re good.
Not only it’s 3 keys higher, but prot warrior does a bigger pull and still never dips below 70% in the entire pull.
At EDNA tank buster, Brew takes about 30-40% of his health and full HP worth of stagger. Prot warr takes about 10% of his health.
Remember Mists+9 MDI?
It was Mists+9 run with Brewmaster vs VDH. The difference was brutal. Not only VDH pulled nearly triple burst DPS, but also barely require any healing, meanwhile Brew’s healer was cashing out over 2mil HPS and bRew’s HP was a rollercoaster.
Did they still complete the run? Yes, of course. No one here is saying brews cant… Sure they can. Just with much more effort and pain.
Ferals and BM Hunters can also do +15s, but they will do about half of FDK/Assa rogue damage.
And it’s also veryconvenient for you to ignore the fact that Brew has at the bottom of M+ push for that 0.0001% of the player, who absolutely push their classes/specs to the maximum.
They go hand in hand. Popularity drops off the second your spec falls behind enough to make a difference. And I remember looking Brews made up like 30% of tanks in BFA and Legion keys, back when tanks were actually all fairly balanced in keys.
Brew is what today, ~2.5% of all tanks of all keys? And under 1% in higher keys? I’d need to check RIO again later.
Sitting here and saying with the straight face brews are on par with other tanks is some shadowlands level of clowning.
No one is asking for pala or warrior or bear or vdh or bdk nerf. Buff brew.
Lots of changes for Monks in the next patch but there was a notable exclusion. Brew had nothing at all. I guess they have no idea what to do with Brewmasters, they’re the least represented tank. Brew will continue to be the unicorn.
Currently in NA region 11 brewmasters are on track for title
And 178 prot pallies
High end balance is always tricky
We have stagger which we need to manage meanwhile prot pallies have to maintain their 100% block chance which can block spells.
Id wager that spec strength is actually the lowest driving factor in class popularity.
Popularity means nothing
Monk is the least represented class. Brew is the least represented tank as a direct result of this. Accounting for population, brew is more represented at high keys than guardian, blood, and vengeance. Prot paladin is a huge outlier and prot warrior is a bit overrepresented, which is a general signifier that a spec is overperforming.
i think spec strength plays a decent size role in popularity or do you think pally is a popular as it is right now just because its pally?
out of all the tanks i would still rate brew master tied with dk for the worst classes to push higher keys with. dk is just a fun powerhouse to play in the lower keys which is probably why its so popular.