I give up waiting

Classes Monk
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For tank changes just gonna play my pally alt. No point beating the meta at this point we have all asked for changes that will never happen just gonna heal on my monk every once in a while now. Good luck brewmaster monks and thanks for all the fists :disappointed:

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Brew is perfectly fine for the level of keys you’re doing.

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We are “manageable” in 10’s, Just takes more effort. We can do the content. No one is denying it. The problem with the poor balance is poor balance.

Same goes for all the DPS. S tier and D tier specs are all capable for clearing Mythic raiding and doing high keys… but D tier specs are far worse than S tier specs. And while a D-tier spec will always have a spot in a raid, but D-tier tank struggles getting into higher keys (12 onwards)

None of this doesn’t change the fact that brews have lower armor, lower health, lower burst damage, really weak celestial brew, obsolete mastery, nearly USELESS Mystic touch and the list goes on.

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One spec is an outlier.

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So it should get fixed. There is no excuse for not having Brew on par with the rest. And BDK could also use a facelift.

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Yes. By gutting prot paladin.

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But for you, I will elaborate it further - buffing Brews does not require nerfing paladins.

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Going with insults doesn’t change the fact that, on paper, brew is equivalent with all the other tanks and the only outlier is prot paladin.

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lol
ok
sure
if you say so buddy
:+1:

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Look at the talents by prot pally then look at the talents for brew then run the same dungeon with the same dps the same healer with the same gear score. You will see a major difference in the M+ run.

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Prot paladin has way too many good things going for it. Devotion aura, blessings, an absurd number of interrupts, immunities. There’s zero point comparing 1 tank in the bundle to prot paladin when prot paladin has been an extreme outlier since the paladin rework.

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While brew could use changes, it’s more a polish than a requirement to function. Brew is perfectly capable of doing keys 99.9% of players will do, even with no “defensive” trinkets and offensive talents. You should play what you enjoy most, though frankly Prot Paladin isn’t even the “best” spec for KSM/KSH range. Prot Warrior is still nearly indestructible vs Prot Paladin being notoriously weak defensively relative to other tanks (this is part of why Disc is also meta; to fill defensive gaps with PS). Brewmaster is arguably the strongest boss tank in the game as well, which is why the changes most people would suggest aren’t feasible, as they would simply break raid tank tuning altogether. Brew needs AoE scaling and better/more unique utility. Pair that with a rework or condensing of some talents (like Niuzao) and Brew is fine. None of Brew’s weaknesses should really be holding anyone back from anything less than a 12.

The balance isn’t poor in “Brew is terrible and can’t survive”, it’s “Prot Paladin is too strong for how much utility they bring resulting in everyone thinking they need one to time keys”. It’s VDH in S3/S4 all over again, but people don’t care because Paladin is allowed to have utility. Prot Paladin is squishier than Brewmaster and, assuming they took the time to actually tune their damage, there would be an adequate tradeoff. The problem is that Blizzard hasn’t taken the time to fix Paladin, so they’ve stolen Brew’s niche of being a fourth DPS while also proving the most utility.

Also Brewmaster mastery is nowhere near obsolete, and I’m not sure why you believe it is. It scales very powerfully into AoE and is pretty solid offensively and defensively between increasing dodge and AP, which also increases Celestial Brew scaling. The reason Mastery is dumped isn’t because it’s bad, it’s because we get a flat 5/10/15% for free based on current stagger paired with the fact that deadly damage for Brew is usually consistent magical, which mastery does little for.

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The irony of this post is you’re the one looking like a foolish toddler. Prot pally is clearly the outlier. You acting otherwise says a lot about you.

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Pretty sick mog to OP. But I agree in general. We need something that warrants taking us over prot war/pal for 12+ keys. Right now, there isn’t one.

I also don’t get the whole, “we are the best raid tank” thing. Yes, more forgiving for early prog, but once mechanics are known every other tank is perfectly fine for raid tanking.

There’s a pretty big leap between BrM and the other tanks at this point. Even our damage is neutered compared to war/pal.

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Except you can look at the numbers and see this is clearly untrue. Paladin is the only real outlier.

p.s. don’t try to lie about things that can be easily checked. BrM could certainly use some tweaking, but this hyperbole only hurts the spec with Blizz.

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Imo brewmaster is in a far better spot than blood is right now. I feel far tankier on brew than bdk. That being said my brew is better geared but having played both classes for many years I feel I can make this claim objectively.

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The percent of brewmasters on raider. Io who have timed a 10 or 11 is 23.5%

The percent of prot paladins on raider. Io who have timed a 10 or 11 is 29%

That’s not a big difference imo.

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Why is there always one troll who hides behind a scrub character on these boards. I swear it’s probably the same person with nothing else to do in their lives.

Kind of sad really.

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If you’re going to troll my account, at least do it properly. I have repeatedly said I play primarily on EU.

p.s. since you opened the door, you shouldn’t be calling anyone a scrub with these parses:

[Staria - Nordrassil - Warcraft Logs](https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/nordrassil/staria?difficulty=4)

You don’t even know how to play the class properly.

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just checked the numbers 12 keys and up brew is by far the lowest participation.

you should listen to your own advice

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