I didn’t know that about Kronos, good to know.
Thinking you need performance enhancing drugs to down content is a mistake. You just need some elbow grease.
Our guild to date has taken a semi-casual approach where consumes are encouraged but not mandatory, and where we clear DM and reset Ony head each week but don’t mandate the buffs. As a tank though, in practice this means that going fairly try-hard is mandatory because I need to hold threat over a few melee that want to parse even if not everyone does. The approach I’ve taken is to never raid log for the sake of buffs (I’m not an altoholic and enjoy actually playing my main outside of raids), but to get what I can right before raid and not stress if I’m missing Ony buff one week because we couldn’t successfully reset it for example.
The most fun I have in Classic has nothing to do with any of this though. World bosses, group PvP in Winterspring while farming Jujus, and messing around in Silithus are the highlights of my week nowadays. I’m worried that the increasing focus of our guild’s raiding core on clear times and parses will end up causing burnout in the long run once more content is added, at the detriment of just having fun with friends and slaying some dragons in the process.
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Admirable and a trait I so wish more had.
If you are original Death and Taxes people would do well to listen to you, and Google the name if they’re unfamiliar. You guys have done very well for yourselves.
I had major issues with threat, and sometimes still do on my main - when our tank got his Thunderfury things became considerably more manageable - but longer fights like Nef still pose issues. Part of this is my own fault for out gearing everyone else by focusing too hard on PvE min/maxxing and less on character identity. It has created an enjoyable new personal level of efficiency where I value stamina and intellect more than raw spell power due to fight durations, have to understand my class and how it genreates threat properly, and have to actually do the mechanics in each fight. I just consider it that you take the good with the bad in your choices of how to play the game, and the good should outweigh the bad.
These ideas are new for me, though, I did not raid in Vanilla past BWL - so philosophies evolve. I would still prefer not to require our tank to world buff, or any of our raid members, until the content creates a wall that warrants it. It will be interesting to see what happens when enrage timers are introduced with AQ.
Enrage timers will be irrelevant to the majority of guilds with or without world buffs. Average guild damage is optimized and consumed to a point there be won’t be an issue with enrage timers. Guilds who don’t practice will wipe (a lot) on things like Ouro and Cthun where it isn’t a dps check, but a coordination check. Imo
I should have added I bet the majority of HC guilds would be more happy if world buffs couldn’t be used in a raid. If they were wiped when entering the instance for example I bet the huge majority of guilds would love it. Speed clearing guilds would still be faster then others, just wouldn’t have to do the stupid WB routine to be “competitive.”
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Eliminating wbuffs for instanced content would be such a no-brainer win-win for the entire playerbase. Hardcore guilds could now compete without a weekly chore that locks people out of playing their mains, parsers in casual guilds wouldn’t be salty every other week when they die from a mistake or bad rng and lose their buffs, toxic buff purging wouldn’t be a thing, etc. But alas, people were way too fixated on #nochanges at the start of Classic for a simple tweak like this (which would preserve the spirit of vanilla raiding way more than an exact replication of the mechanics) to even be considered by the dev team.
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You can try hard all you want to, just please don’t expect me to 
The content just isn’t difficult enough to warrant spending hundreds of gold per week in consumables to make the raid go even 10 minutes faster.
If you, or anybody, wants to do that to push your parses, I totally support you! However, I don’t really want to. Content in this game will never reach that point, not even Naxx (yes, I was there the first go around, I remember it).
I worry a little bit that my guild is going to want to go that direction, but for now I feel fortunate that they aren’t. I get it… this is Classic. All the stories have been written so there’s not much left to do except try to do it faster. It’s not for me, I just wanna kill internet dragons with my e-friends. So I’m hoping it doesn’t become an issue.
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But a couple hundred gold in classic was way more to the average player then it is now man 
any mage or hunter can easily do that in a few hours of ZG or DMT. At this point in the game even casuals have had plenty of time to get an alt to 60 being fully rested the entire time. Basic raid buffs are a courtesy to your raid that you value their time. I also think there is a direct correlation to that minimal effort and people paying attention in the raid itself.
Nah it’s try harding. Nothing wrong with that mind you…but it’s try harding. Pew Pew!
Ive always just looked at it as an epeen stroking competition with warcraft logs. Unless your guild is literally struggling every week to clear the content flasking and getting WBs every week is pointless. Just so you can look at this website that someone decided to make and see a nice pink/orange number and say “yes i am better than the people who dont spend unnecessary currency on these items”. Especially you as a mage who literally has 1 ability to cast during the entirety of any boss fight (unless youre decursing). Theres no “i learned my class better and rotate my abilities better” its just apply as many buffs as possible and spam 1 button so that i see a number that says “good job boy”.
We’re currently at BWL. There are NOT 39 people who are relying on you to flask. If you want to flask, all the power to you. But just know that parses are a made up system for wow so people can measure epeen.
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i would rather give loot to someone who is willing to prepare more, than someone who isn’t.
if literally everything else between these two hypothetical people is considered equal
Not me, if one person needs to flask to stroke his ego then I don’t want that person in my guild and will absolutely kick them
#noflaskuntilprogression
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Have a good night, sir!
We just have our tank hearth before he dies. That is if you are able to kill Vael before the tank dies from the debuff.
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If the boss died, then everyone was adequately prepared.
Now man up and flask every BG too. Also flask while browsing the auction house for good measure. Assert dominance.
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What’s happened to this community? Why are so many worried about how others play, or get offended by a different approach?
If anyone wants to blow their hard earned fake money on flasks, why should you care? If you think it should be done differently, do it differently.
In the end, the actions of others do not effect you in any way, it’s a game. Play it your way.
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I’d say it’s less about people having a problem with those who flask and more about guilds/pugs requiring unnecessary things in order to raid. I’ve heard of guilds that will cancel raid night if they get killed with world buffs up trying to get to the raid, as if they’ll get an error message upon zoning in “Error: Cannot enter instance. No world buffs”.
It’s like when brand new content gets released in retail and players expect you to have it memorized to the letter and outgear it right off the bat.