It’s pretty laughable when people who hold the opinions you’re spouting complain about the state of the Horde. It’s like pissing yourself on purpose and complaining your pants are wet.
She would point once again at the wasted chance to have Doomhammer in Maldraxxus instead of Draka.
Imagine him asking Thrall how he´s been taking care of his armor and weapon… and then giving Thrall the kick in the nuts he needs to get his act altogether once again…
Valko for Warchief!!! See? Good leaders know what´s best for their people…
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Are you sure? You may have forgotten how many times the Horde has tried to punt Gnomes but I assure you she hasn’t. Still, she would certainly be better for the Horde than its last Warchief.
Powerhoused characters don´t make a story good, quite the contrary… they make the story stupid.
Horde just needs well written characters that follow a coherent narrative, not overgrown powerlite like Jaina who ended up looking like a Karen thanks to the incoherence surrounding her development.
She can punts us for all I care as long as she actually solves the Horde´s narrative problems.
And both Baine and Calia ARE some of the most glaringly obvious ones taking intyo account they consist of A) Christie Golden´s mommy self insert and B) Christie Golden´s favorite plot device to make her other pets/self inserts look “good”.
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Hey, im just trying to work with what we have here, besides wow’s story is already stupid, we might as well even the playing field to makes things more interesting instead of repeating mop for a third time.
I don’t want to fight. If Blizz is unwilling to allow for any semblance of moral ambiguity on the Alliance, than the Horde will always be required to serve as both the catalyst for conflict and the antagonistic force. Which, since this is a game of Heroes, will always come down brutally hard on the Red Faction. Its part of what left us in such a dire situation as the end of BfA. It a net negative.
A faction that has no reason to stay coherent, and only continues to exist (thematically and functionally) due to the requirements of game mechanics has no interest for me. Nor does a faction so ideologically empty as the one Sylvanas presented or represented; even before you claim “Blizz changed the script after Teld”. Yeah … sure they did. If anything, with how shallow the “Loyalist” quests were, they were thrown in last minute because of Sylvanas fan’s whining.
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Golden wrote Lord of the Clans and Rise of the Horde.
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Sooo… we fix the stupid with more stupid?
No thanks I´ll pass…
Also: we will repeat if the devs feel like it, powerhoused characters in Horde or not, as per BfA proved.
My poor sweet summer child… as if Blizzard cared for this. We Hordies could claim we rather not fight and Blizz could perfectly well villain bat us all the times they want.
Wanna solve truly the “villain bat” problem? start for fixing the actual root of the problem A.K.A. the writting dev team. As ugly as it sounds, after the embarrasement that was BfA they should had been dropped like a hot potato, period.
Yes, under the watchful eye of Metzen who we know had his own interest in the matter…
Look at what she did when he left the picture, so no thanks. Her 10th rate characters should be dropped into a Volcano as Valko said; better for Horde narrative future.
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Youre welcome to have your own opinion however i dont understand your fixation in claiming my idea is stupid just…based on your own opinion, its needesly antagonistic.
I dont know what you expect to accomplish stating the ovbious, this is the story forums, we give our opinions not expecting blizzard to magically focus on our posts.
No but it is fun to theory craft 
Though, considering some of the posts people make its not always a bad thing that Blizz doesn’t listen to us.
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I said beforehand overpowered characters made the nartrative stupid (heck it´s usually what happens to Alliance… their powerhouses suddenly go /pikachu face for the lols). Not antagonizing you in particular, just the idea SSB Thrall will somehow make things better lorewise for Horde players.
It won´t. We would have to grasp with both villanous AND stupid on top of it.
I want smarter and coherently developed characters, not just more powerful but badly written as usual ones (reason why I´m so happy dev team ignores Rommath exist most of the time…)
You were the one excusing yourself under “working with Blizz remanents”. I´m telling you it´s worthless, nothing more and nothing less.
Let the Horde players establish what they want.
Quoted for truth. Some of the worst NEFPAs make the most egregious MHP of old look sane in comparison.
And i dont agree with this for the reasons explained above, hence i stand by my opinion.
No, i will post whatever i want on this particular topic.
lets not derail the thread further please.
What reasons, embracing the stupid and making SSB stupid Anduin fight SSB stupid Thrall?
Then I´ll repeat what I said: thanks but no thanks. I have higher standards.
Never said you couldn´t post, only manifested my disagreement.
Feel free to put me on ignore if my opinon is too much for your sensibilities.
I don’t think we’re going to get it, there’s nobody left on the roster that actually has a horse in this race, that can be used to tell a story. They’re just there for background decoration.
Calia might have a moment with Arthas but she’s an Alliance character, so, it doesn’t count.
Sorry to break it to ya my man, she was definitively replacing sylvanas, however i think blizzard got the message loud and clear that you guys didnt wanted any of it and its trying to take it slow, like… boiling you slowly so you dont notice until they just pull the rug.
edit:they are doing a horrible job currently with that, she just left to the shadowlands because… shes a menethil, screw the forsaken am i right? *nudge *nudge
I was going to continue being silly but you’re right.
Now that I’ve thought over the topic a little more the only way to give the Horde a feel good moment is to deal with Teldrasil. It is the elephant and until it is dealt with there really isn’t any way to rebuild the Horde’s moral center as Varnoth put it or bring back the Horde’s core identity as Droite put it.
The problem then becomes how to do that. I’ve thought up several different scenario’s but none of them work very well. Sorry but I freely admit we need someone smarter than me for this one. Ariel, you’re up
Hi, Treng here, can attest. Been maining Dreadmoore forever due to how Blizzard loves the Alliance and hates the Horde.
Literally nothing about her ties her to the Horde or the Forsaken. Nothing could fix that, either.
It would be pants-on-head idiotic to even push it and I have some tiny semblance of hope that someone in the story department got the message. Maybe a story book will flip open and an arm will come out to slap me in the face for my naivety, but, given the immediate recoil that the team put forward when she was introduced, only to receive extreme backlash, something tells me they won’t try to attach her to a story she doesn’t fit in as a malignant tumor.
Until that point that they chase me off and back to Classic, TBC and WOTLK, I’ll continue to not see her as a character that is intended to drive the Forsaken storyline forward.
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Before the shadowlands weve discussed this topic several times ad nauseam and never agreed on anything, the event was that catasthrophic for the lore
its probably just going to be handwaved after some half baked resolution then we all pretend we’re allright.
They beautifully screwed both factions and nobody wants to compromise because what is left of their fantasy is at risk.
suspension of disbelief? broken
faction pride? broken
class fantasy? broken, broken, broken.
Heir of lordaeron, which is where you guys were squatting, plus lots of forsaken are lordaeronians, plus she is undead now.
It is idiotic, and it is happening, however she’s going to share the (position???) with voss, i dont know how the heck that would work but its probably because of said backlash, like how sometimes you have to do a heart surgery but you cant replace the heart so you cramm both hearts in.
i dont know what to tell ya man, you can try to enjoy the story for what it is like the rest of us while voicing your discontent or just ignore it completely and play the game, i totally get it if you are disgusted by a story beat then leave the game completely.
Moment you realize you only expect some interest thanks to the character involved in your Covenant´s story (my case it´s good ´ol Kael)
Teldrassil is an unsolvable problem if we take into account the Nelf player / Alliance player PoV. At least without groveling involved and frankly, I refuse to grovel for something some a-hole writer made me do, period. Writer CAN grovel.
From a Horde player one I think our leaders somehow gutting Sylvanas without any shape, way or form of Alliance involvement and exposing her innards at Orgrimmar would work great.
Horde´s core identity it´s even easier: let us be. No moar Anduin sprouting BS at Orgrimmar nor following Jaina/insert FOTM Alliance / formerly Alliance / Alliance flavored character around nor much less letting Calia stay at less than 1000 miles from Horde characters. Let Horde be heroic by their own merit, period.
Worked great in Suramar for example.
Said by no Forsaken player ever.
Literally the ones claiming for the “Menethil heir” were Zerde and the rest of the MHP crowd.
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