I feel the Horde needs a feel-good moment before SL ends

I’d prefer that he’d pick a name and own up to the role symbolised by it. And for that matter to simply man up. If he’s back to the Horde, have him show it by bringing his family from Outland. I want him to own up to his idiot decisions in the past and show that he’s actually learned from them by doing something that works, that moves the Horde forward and have us meet the inevitable war with the Alliance on competitive equal terms and give us a conflict that ends in something other than abject apology stance.

(I would have posted that on Arlessa, but I was too exhausted to make the extra efforrt.)

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You’ve actually condensed the world’s problems into a very concise paragraph, there

Jaina worked off the remmants of her feelings about Arthas in the Halls of Reflection in Norrthrend. Simmilarly Arthas had long past purged any feelings and Humanity from his soul.

The main purpose is to show off Uther’s motivation as a betrayed mentor and perhaps to give him some contrast to Devos whose motivations are more abstract than personal.

I think using Thrall, turning it into this symbol of hope and justice, is utterly dabbing on Blackmoore. It’s rad as hell. I don’t hate Go’el, but he’ll never not be Thrall to me.

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And yet Arthas being one of Jaina’s greatest regrets as of the Kul Tiras storyline would invalidate the prior, and I highly doubt the “Human Potential” of Arthas is that so thoroughly deleted that the later is true. No … with Calia, Jaina, and Uther chosen specifically to be in the small cast of characters relevant to this expansion … I can’t take an Arthasdemption off the table.

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Thrall is the one who saved the MU Orcish people; led them across the world; saved and befriended the Tauren and Darkspear; founded the Horde. Thrall led us during the time the Forsaken then the BEs became a part of us. Thrall is a hero to the Horde … Go’el is the one who abandoned it. For years. Go’el even now is the one who feels guilted into being a part of it.

He turned slave name into the name of one of our greatest leaders; and turned his birth name into one of our biggest disappointments. Its a weird situation.

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if she ever truly loved him she could never even if she wanted too , if you ever truly loved someone you can never fully erased your feelings for them unless you never loved them in the first place

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Truth right there, Go’el is synonymous with his abandonment of the horde, while Thrall was a name that turned from a negative to a grand and positive thing.

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Yah loves of your life tend to weight heavily on ones soul, especially when you hold guilt over thinking you could have saved them. Hindsight is 2020.

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People change. a person that you once loved can change to become an unlovable bastard.

If the universe fails to teach you anything else, may you learn that nothing remains static.

The most feel good moment for the orcs at least would be to see Thrall return to wearing the armor of Doomhammer he discarded, and regain his pride and confidence and some of his shamanism. Not to be guilted back but to return to his previous splendor as a leader.

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That statue they came out with man. I don’t want him to become Warchief again, but you get a MU Orc Chieften Thrall in that design; with that Frostwolf Axe and the Doomhammer; With the Durotan Braids/Furs and the Doomhammer Plate; and everything thematic that combination represents … hoo man! Such a good look, and so much meaning in it.

Thrall needs to be a Warrior+Shaman Hybrid then, and make him Enhancement.

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TBH I can’t conceive a horde feelgood moment with the current leadership lineup (excluding the new allied leaders). They’ve just been too heavily tarred and feathered with a history of failure. A new lineup is required.

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Hows that new Forsaken lineup treating you? Calia, Derek, Delaryn? Good?

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https://i.imgur.com/jfkV00F.jpg

I do.

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A sign of things to come perhaps?!?

Cause he also be sporting that axe he got recently

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We all know it’s you, and role playing is frowned upon.

He is. Genocide is bad. Imagine wanting every nation that’s committed a genocide to be wiped out.

https://youtu.be/Fo7XPvwRgG8?t=215
this was the alliance’s introduction to BFA (assuming WoT didn’t happen before the trailers, idr.)

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And yet plenty of people, as you have already pointed out, are eager to defend him right now, even without a revised WC3 making him extra-sympathetic. So to circle back to your original question, that’s why it matters if the game makes him look better.

Now I’d like to turn the question around and ask, why do you seem so excited about the idea?

Also I think you’re being quite generous by calling him a nation. (In other words, nope, I’m not taking that bait.)

ETA:

My original complaint was that the Horde PC is not told in the game that Daelin was a wannabe genocider. We’re only told that he was the beloved leader of Kul Tiras, and we meanies murdered him. We’re never told why. So yeah, WoW kind of is asking us to feel bad for having killed him, and we have to go to a completely different and now-massively-unpopular game to find anything different. That’s an unreasonable bar to our side of the story.

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