I´m anxiously waiting for Kael´thas appearance. And hoping devs don´t screw him up this time around, two times was a nice round number.
I personally dig Alexandros and Vashj, but my Maldraxxus alt still isn’t max level, muchless met the former.
I mean I’ve always said that Lor’themar deserved Warchief more than Vol’jin, but I want Thrall. They might villainbat Lor’themar, but villain-batting Thrall is a line Blizzard won’t cross.
Idk Treng… Thrall giving up on the Horde so easily after the Garrosh fiasco certainly made me apathetic towards him as a leader.
But you´re right; while Lor´themar is easy prey of the villain bat, Thrall deffinitely won´t ever be if only for lasting respect towards Metzen.
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The villain bat is a dangerous tool, gotta protect the only cool leader the horde has from the classic to TBC age of horde.
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People think Thrall is cool again?
Man, when the coolest thing about the Horde is… the Blood elf character (who mind you, I have in the dog house right now thanks to his embarrasing display at pre-patch).
We need moar Trolls and Goblins and Family Adams esque Forsaken. And an actual decent Tauren character. And for the love of God, no more “sad” Thrall.
Apparently, not myself though…
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Thrall really needs to stop moping, also Gazlowe should’ve been goblin racial leader from get go.
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He does need a spanking if he continues with the sad act tbqf.
the only time I didn’t like Thrall was cataclysm. But I didn’t like anything in Cataclysm.
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If we really need someone to spank him and give him the ole pep talk, get Doomhammer somewhere
As a note, Thrall independently selected the current Darkspear Leader and Bilgewater Trade Prince to request. Lor’themar committed the Horde to the Argent tourney in the pre-event, and was acting as the Factions voice in that event. Rokhan is the current one holding down Warsong Hold. Its not as if Baine is the only one to operate on this sort of level.
And … you and I will never see eye to eye on the Warchief. With how absurdly diverse the Horde has become the Warchief position was doing a piss poor job representing them. It didn’t even try after a while. The Blood Oath has never been anything more than a negative, when it wasn’t a formality. And with how Blizz has written that position, 5 out 7 MU Horde WCs have been unmitigated disasters. Of the WCs that exist in external Hordes, the Dark, Fel, and Iron Horde Warchiefs were of a similar quality. Horrific for their people, leading them only to ruin.
Culturally the Warchief mantel only has relevance with the two Horde Orcish populations, and even then only 38 years of it; and has a monstrous track record with both of them. None of the other races have any associations with it beyond their affiliations with the Horde Faction. There is nothing else there requiring a Warchief beyond player nostalgia. That’s it.
EDIT: And I cannot believe I’m saying this, but its super ironic to me that those who are arguing FOR the Warchief title are the most anti-Baine people on this sub; yet somehow are giving Thrall a free pass for doing everything they hate Baine for … but kind of worse on several levels. Abandoning the Horde entirely for years, and having absurdly close connections with Jaina. Hell, Lor’themar is guilty of a lot of that same sort of “Alliance-friendly” crap too; and he’s third most likely.
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Tides of War novel. Baine and Vol’jin personally lead their people in the conflict, they grouped together in the Southern Barrens. Vol’jin had the Darkspear attack the Alliance, which allowed Baine to open the Gate Great to lead the Tauren out.
After uniting with Garrosh during the Razing of Northwatch, they fell under the direct command of Garrosh.
By that point they had united their forces with Garrosh, thus Hellscream was in charge of attacking Theramore.
And now I’m reminded of the fact they just handwaved off Maiev’s villain route from the Wolfheart novel.
The Wrathion legendary quest chain in Mists for the Horde had us killing General Twinbraid. It involved him calling out us out for killing his son, while completely ignoring he and said son completely destroyed the Stonespire tribe’s village and essentially wiped out the tribe to just 3 members…two of which weren’t even there at the time.
It was very mind boggling and I really feel was the start of Blizzard not allowing the Horde to call out the Alliance for the things they’ve done.
I really wanted to thundershock Magatha off the Maelstrom when she showed and am still furious that blizzard made a shaman follower.
There was a vote to aid Theramore and funnily enough it was Aethas who made the deciding vote. He argued that standing aside meant that they were tactically supporting the Horde in its quest. Rhonin found it mildly amusing apparently, though he stressed to the Alliance that the Kirin Tor were only aiding in the defense of the city. Not a single agent of the Kirin Tor engaged the Horde until they started attacking Theramore itself. Ergo they weren’t among the forces the fought outside of the city when Pained launched her sneak attack and stuff.
The purge is handled oddly when it comes to that. In quests for it Vereesa says that Jaina is going too far but the War Crimes novel has Jaina reflecting that’s it’s the other way around.
I just know the Silver Convent should have never been given the green light to act against the Sunreavers. The Kirin Tor should have handled things, because many of the Silver Convents just went out of far… I still remember watching that one SC member feed that one poor Sunreaver to a shark.
The thing that really irritated me with that one is how lously it was compared to the build up Garrosh had. NPCs talking about Hellscream’s eyes being on you became real when he showed up at the Stonetalon finale. Furthermore the Shattering novel revealed that there were rumors that he personally killed the Lich King himself. Making it very obvious that Garrosh had a large shadow, and those with large shadows do have people who will step within them.
And then there’s Lor’themar declaring Sylvanas has the loyalty of the people for reasons, Alleria believing that Sylvanas had the only army to combat N’Zoth, and yet the loyalists had to secure Orgrimmar because of internal discent.
blink Rokhan is in Orgrimmar.
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Indeed Rokhan is in Orgrimmar and he is indeed the one holding down warsong hold, can’t seem to get one character to stay in that spot for long.
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You go into there on a lower level alt at the right time and you might get lucky and see Garrosh, Saraunok, Nazgrim, Vol’Jin, Sylvanas, Saurfang, Rokhan, and Eitrigg…plus all the minor lore characters. It’s really been that many different characters since Cataclysm.
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Sry, Grommash Hold. Brain fart.
Yes. Yes, they are.
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Yeah, they kind of are. They just have the money and power to make their incompetence irrelevant.
I never did that quest, but holy hell blizzard.
Trying to make the child slaughtering, grave robbing dwarves who wiped out two towns sympathetic is pretty gross, and sadly entirely in line with their current mindset of whitewashing the Alliance by any means necessary.
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Warsong Hold is the main Horde base in Borean Tundra within Northrend. Grommash Hold is the leader spot in Orgrimmar. Unless you saw Rokhan in Warsong Hold during the pre-event because I just double checked and he wasn’t added there.
That indeed must be a confusing mess.
Your forgiven.
Yeah and I just remembered how he also mentions the Horde destroying his home, as if it was a home like mine and yours over the fortress it was.
Very much like the Horde PC encountering people in Kul Tiras who angrily accuse you of murdering their beloved leader Daelin Proudmoore, while the new-to-the-game Horde player is never told the Horde’s side of that story.
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