I hate this so much tbh, who came up with that
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The writers in blizzard
They also later wrote in a book that Durotar is actually really nice and more fertile than anything the humans have in Kalimdor.
It’s because of this is personally chose to ignore that bit about Thrall.
They seem to flip flop constantly on the state of durotar in terms of how hospitable it is, it’s either a harsh desert where crops are hard or impossible to grow or it’s lush and nicer then the eastern kingdoms. Kind of doesn’t make sense, especially since the orcs where about to go into a famine when Garrosh was forcibly given the reins.
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They had to tone down the Alliance murder squads killing vulpera because of blueside whining… which ended up working because most blueside posters defend their actions now, even though they’re still burning civillians alive, because the name change gave them the plausibility to ignore their actions.
It’s a harsh former jungle that is just about hospitable enough to support orgrimmar when there isn’t a world destroying cataclysm happening.
It would have been an actual breadbasket if not for Daelin defoliating the place for kicks (weird how the Cenarians didn’t care about that one)
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I think the land was supposed to be promising but would need work put into it, which was supposed to channel the orcs’ aggression into something positive and to help them learn to build and create again, or something like that.
That wouldn’t play into the resource war the writers wanted with Cataclysm, though. I think it was some Garrosh short story that changed it so that Orgrimmar was basically dirt poor in resources and starving to death because of Thrall.
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It was, orgrimmar was on the brink of a famine when garrosh arrived.
Warcraft 3 it was a harsh land, but was suitable for the people to work and build a sustainable civilization.
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I think the problem is of target. Why the vulpera? Why not burn horde soldiers, or better yet, prisoners of war? A sort of twisted, poetic justice, in alliance eyes.
Or something like Alliance soldiers rounding up prisoners of war, and executing them. Showing how the burning have darkened their hearts with hatred.
And on the Horde side, you could instead have soldiers expressing regret and sorrow, talking about seeing the event in their dreams long after it happened. Show that they don’t really want to fight, but are afraid of what will happen if they surrender.
I would have preferred that, if we had to have the burning happen at all.
That’ll be shown in a book more than likely, only time we got anything showing orcs feeling guilty was that but in wrath from Saurfang to Garrosh.
On a meta level, it’s because they needed a clear reason for the Vulpera to join the Horde, to avoid another nightbourne incident, where there’s no one big reason they’d fight against the Alliance. (You could say the same about the Mechagnomes on the other side, but I digress.
On a story level, the Alliance has never been particularly respectful of the rights of races they deem as lesser. Look at their treatment of Trolls or the Dwarven inclination to murder anyone sitting on top of a suspected titan facility (note: they have never actually found a titan facility by doing this).
Roasting the Vulpera alive is a very extreme version of this, but a lot of Alliance soldiers would be out for blood for anyone even remotely horde associated. As far as I’m aware no npc has batted an eye at the purge squads or the void elf shenanignas, not even the Cenarians, who you’d really think would be against the whole “tainting animal souls with the void” thing. It’s an ugly war.
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Ouch, is the CIA such obviously incompetent? I mean this guy basically costed the Alliance their actually semidecent High King, why is he still in charge?
Man, the HUGE plot armor she carries is indeed an aberrant thing. Garrosh had a similar development arc, and where did he end up? Milked as a glorified anima battery in Revendreth, as a meme.
Karen Proudmoore indeed.
Then Purge is NOT the problem (as a matter of fact, the Purge is probably the only coherent event in a sea of incoherencies surrounding Karen Proudmoore), the problem was she trying to act like a “cinnamon roll baby poor wittle innucent” while her city and her Theramore troops literally jumped to war against Garrosh with her absolute consent.
If she didn´t want to get a black eye, she shouldn´t had had put on the boxing gloves and thrown punches to people, as simple as that.
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My guess would be that BFA might have been trying to go for a “war is hell” narrative in small bits to try to make both sides feel like they’re going too far or becoming what they hate, or something like that. Hence the hypothetical situation of Lordaeron happening first, Rexxar’s bizarre comment about Jaina killing too many people, Umbric banishing people to the void alive, alliance killing poor Zandalari exiles, giving a gorilla permanent brain damage to use as a weapon of war, Malfurion burying people alive to suffocate to death, etc.
But Teldrassil happened, whatever Jaina was meant to do either fell flat or was cut, those exiles turned out to be bandits (and people had little sympathy for the Zandalari in the first place), and that gorilla was actually nobly volunteering as a noble sacrifice to nobly fight the horde, and the horde was so blatantly evil at that point that people would flip the double bird at anyone saying “hey burying people alive is messed up” because the night elves are basically freedom fighters reclaiming unjustly stolen land.
The only thing that really stuck out was Umbric’s shtick and hardly anybody blinked an eye at that point.
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We have Alleria doing Questionable things in Shadows Rising, but there’s still people defending them as non-villanous acts. So there’s definitely those who are simply not ready to have the blue faction be on the “wrong” side.
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Look at his avatar… ofc a Horde character becoming a pathetic meme IS the type of development he rather favors.
Best part is his complete lack of self awareness in how the ACTUAL Horde players see the aforementioned character.
Frankly, if he likes him so much more thanks to Aethas being less than a character and nothing but a meme, he can get it. Let that walking lore embarrasement switch side to Alliance, it would be actually good news for us Belf fans…
Dude, you can “demand” MY regret when you pay for my sub.
Until then go ask the actual people responsible for this mess A.K.A. Activision Blizzard lore dev team.
All these questions getting another answer different to “lul, Alliance will do NO wrong!!”? With the current lore dev team?
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Comes down to I want to massacre the whole horde, I just don’t want the repercussions of said actions.
At least that’s what some people actually want.
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They won’t get a mote of “regret” out of me until they stop whitewashing or ignoring Alliance atrocities.
Alliance firebombing/assassinating civilians or murdering them out of greed is fine but I’m supposed to feel awful when anything bad happens to them? Nah bro.
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Cairne was considered one of the most dangerous CREATURES, not just sapient people but all creatures, on Azeroth. He was certainly the single most dangerous mortal through martial means. You can make your point without shi*ting on the closest thing the Horde had to a saint for their ideals and ideal form.
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And they’ll never be.
Point out the more monstrous things the Alliance has done and there’s always an excuse/justification. We just need Blizzard to move the story along and stop catering to these people.
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And he got snubbed in a book in between expansions … sigh. Then we have Vol’jin. The Warrior, Shaman, Monk hybrid who’s Troll regeneration was so potent he could survive getting his throat slit by a blade coated in poison meant to mitigate Troll regeneration. He was killed by trash mob on the broken shore … and only retroactively (thankfully) murdered by a Death Loa.
God I hope Jin is allowed to stick around as a tangible Horde “character” after he becomes … whatever the hell he’s becoming. Cairne is passed help I’m afraid … we’ll just have to see what happens with Huln in the SLs here. If anything. He is chilling in Ardenweald right now.
Soooo off topic but still relating to the horde, heard some voice lines that showed Draka still thinks of Thrall and wonders if he ever survived the assassins that killed her and durotan. I dearly hope Thrall gets to see her so she can council him on how to be a strong chieftain.
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