No, the purge happened because Jaina killed a bunch of people. She could have, at any time gone “hey, today I’m not going to conduct an ethnic cleansing!” and then it wouldn’t have ever happened.
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And I hate it. But I also despised with every fiber of my being what they did with Jaina in mop. They turned her from someone who sacrificed everything for peace between the factions, to someone who was punished for that struggle. And then she further got it beaten into her that the other side is bad when Aethas betrayed her trust. I hated it, and it goes back so far. Which is why despite how rushed it was, i’m glad she’s returned to more of her old self.
I want morally gray, I really do. But not at the cost of characters I believe should be heroes.
And I don’t care for it, at all. Not if it means the Horde must be monsters to compensate. Because monsters should be slain, not ignored or spared. So I would greatly appreciate a shift.
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if you guys agree why are you arguing? go ahead and give yourselves a hug to make up.
oh yea, because this totally happened and its not reductionist headcannon, you’ve convinced me this is a comment i should take seriously.
I just had a stupid realization that I’ve been so inured to Blizzard’s “morally grey” that when Morghel said he wanted more greyness in the alliance, my natural thought was horde evilness because that’s my in-game frame of reference.
Oy.
You do realize the only orcs that knew about the legion where Gul’dan and the shadow council? Also the orcs where being puppeteers by Gul’dan and co with the whole blackhand warchief, and killing wildlife wouldn’t date the orcs now demonic bloodlust as they began killing eachother to.
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Blizz is completely out of touch. They have long since lost the ability to tell the difference between Antagonistic and Villainous. You can certainly have one without the other, and the prior without the latter tends to make for really compelling narratives. Which is why a part of me really wants Turalyon to fall under the whiles of Yrel and the Lightbound while were all stuck in the land of the dead and absolutely brutilize the Horde.
The Horde reps in SLs need individual character growth to fix character deficits. The Leaders left outside though all need growth as leaders, and the Council system needs a stress test. The Alliance has plenty of reasons to want to hit the Horde hard, and no reason not to trust the Lightbound. On top of this, the primary reason most of the less idealistic Alliance leaders didn’t want to wipe out the Horde at the end of the 4th war was largely they didn’t want to soak the cost for it.
The Lightbound offset any costs in a massive way for Alliance continuing aggression against the Horde. The Lightbound also likely have learned from the Iron Horde’s mistakes that a direct invasion of Azeroth is a fools errand; so why not come as a friend? All we really need is for this to work is for Calia to not be able to go to and fro from the Shadowlands at will; and a catalyst like Faol or Genn to get assassinated … with that death pinned on the Horde.
Then … all bets are off. And we PCs and Peaceniks (all of whom have had a personal journey in the SLs) come back just as the Horde is on its breaking point … and the Alliance’s new Ally is getting really screwy. Skipping the ugly playable Faction Conflict storyline, and moving us into the fallout and Light Cosmology Expansion.
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Actually the purge was to arrest every Sunreaver I believe it was Vareesa and the silver covenant really going for the killing part.
Yup … which is why I’m not super hard against Jaina’s BfA Story. Vareesa Windrunner was the one who went murder happy, having her Silver Covenant assault shopkeepers and people just trying to get their savings out of the bank. As well as culling the Sunreavers only way to get out of the city.
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Yah, but to quote what possible detractors will say is “no Jaina totally was all out for blood.”
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That would admittedly sate my need for revenge. It would also open the interesting questions of “how much is enough?”, “will doing this actually secure peace for the future?”, “are we doing the right thing?”. Admittedly, it would require showing that the Horde as a whole regrets what they did to the Night elves, and not just because they are getting pounded. It would be a great opportunity to show that the Horde aren’t as monstrous as they have been depicted.
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Buuuut that’d be asking for allot from blizzard, so hopefully we can stabby stab Syl, together as two factions United in shifting the blame from the horde onto Syl.
It should have always been this way.
Honestly, if you looked deep into some of the optional dialogue of certain characters during BfA, there was a teaser of what the Horde story might have been. An entrapment narrative. With the WoT being perfectly justified due to the proceeding Alliance aggression, but the Burning of Teldrassil being used as a means to trap the Horde into following Sylvanas long enough. Because they were too afraid of Alliance (justified) reprisal to weaken themselves enough to take out Sylvanas. Which is why you get these little lines from Rokhan, Rexxar, Lor’themar, Thalyssra, Garona, and Voss all implying that they’ll deal with Sylvanas … after the Alliance.
But … I’m going to guess Blizz freaked at the player response to MoP2.0 and scrapped that narrative. Adding in the “Loyalist” storyline and preventing even Baine from mentioning Teldrassil to maintain the “surprise”. That BfA actually was MoP2.0 on steroids…
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I hate this. It’s so extremely lazy. We know that the Horde were responsible. Blizzard spent a lot of time bashing that into our heads. They’re not getting off that easy. You break it, you fix it.
Agreed.
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Hey now I don’t disagree it’s lazy but it seems to be what they’re shooting for while still reminding the horde how monstrous we are.
The absolute worst of both worlds. Alliance remains unsatisfied while the Horde feels like crap.
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What saying the alliance won’t be happy with gutting Sylvanas? lol and besides there’s no reasonable method to make the alliance feel happy without making the horde feel worse, it’sa lose lose for the horde no matter what narratively.
Sigh … but they wont. Their “fixes” atm seem to be “Making certain Horde leaders little more than accessories for Alliance ones” … or just outright shoving Alliance characters into Horde leadership positions like Calia. When … if you were going to force a character into that role, Voss would be a truly spectacular choice if given a little TLC.
Voss embodies the Forsaken experience and Forsaken Free Will, without being subject to the Sylvie Cult of Personality that oversaturated that race. Sure, both those things led her away from the Forsaken up until very recently (she’s an undead teenager, lets chalk it up to uber angst) … but she is a good thematic fit at least. Yet we are constantly reminded she’s just the “Steward of Gondor” to a woman who is dicking around in the the SLs right now (probably looking for what happened to her husband and kid with them not being in the Forsaken ranks like she hoped).
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What I ultimately want is two things. Sylvanas complete and utter defeat, and the Horde atoning for what they have done. And regret is the first step for atonement.
Annoying indeed. I actually wished it would have been someone like Belmont. Who after the burning both felt regret, and started to have doubts, that Sylvanas were working for their best interests. After a while he would go full guerilla, stopping the war effort while keeping casualties on the Horde side to a minimum. Proof that the Forsaken were more, and better, than Sylvanas.
But, you get what you get.
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There’s no way to give both sides a happy ending, and the horde leadership needs a fair amount of TLC, like Baine obviously needs to be made to grow and get distance from the alliance and gain some perspective possibly from his dad, Rohkan needs to be expanded upon and given a unique model to go with his new leadership role, the calia/Voss situation needs a whole heap of work to get that tolerable to forsaken players. Maybe just have Voss lead and have Calia just be an observer of how the forsaken struggle? If they’re gonna have her in the story at least.
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Yeah not gonna happen, Durotar the barren landscape was Thralls forcible attempt at penance for the orcish people but it only made it easier for garrosh to lead his people to conquest when they wished to feed their families. In all honesty the best blizz will give us is the horde council working to benefit the horde while licking the alliance boot which is wholly unsatisfying and will just lead to some other war centric leaders taking the front.
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