I am in no way trying to justify the war of thorns or the fourth war. That was entirely brought up by you.
It’s funny how you ignore how Horde did way more to help the sethrak out.
Every playable race in game is intelligent.
Nah, we attacked the Alliance a good few times too.
Is not help if you screw it up something ; imagine if i hit your face and then take you to the hospital.
Thats horde logic ; damage and fix.
Debatable.
Did we burn down the Temple of Sethraliss or Teldrassil?
Helping the sethrak was not to fix the war of thorns. If it was then in your eyes the Horde can do nothing good.
Debatable depending on what you define intelligent as.
The Horde did not cause the problems the devoted sethrak faced though. They actively fought against the faithless and followers of Zul.
Not offense but this just the logic of average horde player. Not everything is around you or the Alliance. Most of the time the way the horde do their stuff lately (since mop) is just trash.
They cant do anything good without damaging or trying to fix their mistakes.
Im not talking about war of thorns since the begining and gave you like 3 post to realize that .
But you failed (As your faction) to understand the problem.
zul was in a prison; as you know . The horde fought against the influence of zul but without zul nearby that might never have happened and if it had happened sooner or later as much as the alliance and the horde we would have faced it (as always).
So if all of this was triggered by freeing zul we can say by inference that the horde is the one to blame. If they had not released him, it would have been the Zandalari’s problem and therefore their fault.
Now you need to understand that im not saying that they didnt “help” but they were fixing something they did wrong without knowing they were doing wrong but was bad anyways.
Uh, what? Did I say it was? What does that have to do with the sethrak?
You took everything bad the Horde has done and then the one time the Horde does something good, you took those two unrelated things and put them together.
Well you didn’t do a great job obviously.
Can you please tell me what the horde have done without screwing up or trying to fix a problem they made ?.
Oc we are not couting the events where the Alliance and horde are in.
Is gonna be a hard one for you.
You keep saying war of thornes without any reason. Now you dont understand what you are saying ?.
Explaining you meant since the beginning of the Horde’s history. It was quite reasonable to assume you meant the War of Thorns.
I still don’t get what you mean but anything around you is Alliance.
Convenient.
Helping out the blood elves after WC3. Helping the Revantusk out in the Hinterlands. Saving the Darkspear from being killed by naga. Saving the tauren from being wiped out by centaur.
Buddy please- - -
Like if we going that back is not good for “the real horde”.
This is why i say that you dont read .
What? We did something good? All of that was before
No idea that means either. Rephrasing in order.
yes please. hehe
Alliance wouldn’t get a race that is on the Horde questing island where they help the Horde faction of Vulpera do things. Sorry to say, your opinion is not justification for the Alliance being a better place than them.
To the OP: I would love playable Sethrak, but it was clear they weren’t designed from the ground up with being playable in mind. Which is truly unfortunate. The Alliance do need a more interesting race to make up for the Mechagnomes for sure.
Ok . . . since mop what have the horde done good without screwing up or fixing a problem?.
If you are gonna quote some events that happened , literally of how the horde was created it . I can say that the horde of gul dan did a lot of more bad things than helping some trolls and taurens.
Cmon . … you are saying that my argument about how a race belongs to the Alliance is because of a map ? . First of all , voldun doesnt belong to the horde idk if u knew that .
Second if you are following that logic ; imagine having a race like vulpera where their population was like 5 caravans at max .
Yep . . .that have more logic than a map.
They could be like pandaren. Faithless on alliance, devoted on horde. People saying devoted to alliance havent played the quests or know what the loa are.
That was a different Horde.
Helping take out the Legion, but oh we can’t count joint efforts.
Helping the vulpera who were being attacked by the sethrak, but somehow we caused that problem because we knew Zul would have sided G’huun and all.
Going and taking in the orcs from AU Draenor, since the Lightbound went crazy. But that wouldn’t have happened if Garrosh so oops, our fault again. Because we knew Garrosh would go crazy.
Could say sending druids and shamans to Silithus to heal the wound, you can see Hamuul Runetotem who is a Horde character there.
The Horde has done good things since MoP. It’s funny how I’m not allowed to use joint efforts or how we fixed a problem created by someone who was Horde and then was overthrown by the Horde and Alliance.
Could flip the question around and ask the same about Alliance.
Gamplay > Lore. Most people don’t care, they just wanna play snake peeps!!! Ally should have gotten them instead of diaper gnomes and we all know how popular they are. /tongueflip
First of all, the Horde does more quests for the Sethrak because we literally spend twice as much time in Voldun as the Alliance do. And yes, it would be like giving the Horde Drust despite the fact that the Alliance quest for the Thornweavers on their island.
I never even mention population? Just that the Horde helps them more than the Alliance does, and the ones that would become allied races would probably join their Vulpera friends. Whom they worked together with. In Voldun.
Have you leveled a Horde or are you one of the Alliance purists?
Zul was indeed in prison, but the release of Mythrax would have happened even if he still was inside the stockades as there’s a lot of other followers in Zandalar already when we arrive, and the one overseeing Vol’dun was Jakra’zet.
Neither the Horde or the Alliance would have been present in Zandalar if it wasn’t for the Horde rescuing Talanji and Zul. Either way, the devoted would have been wiped out in this timeline so I don’t see them being angry with the Horde for this reason.
Another reason a lot of people claim why the devoted would hate the Horde is for the failure to protect the keystones when you, Vorrik and the vulpera go to end Korthek. But this is also not a great one, as there are literally only two trolls defending with the devoted and they gave it their all, giving chase to Zul’s forces when they grabbed the keystone, they were ready to fight to their dying breath and would have if not the player saved them in Atul’aman where we encounter them.
I think blaming the Horde for failing to protect something with only two people is a bit harsh, especially when the Alliance is so close with the largest military force in Vol’dun at the time, and they do nothing to help their supposed devoted “friends”.
If we are going to go by your logic then the devoted would hate the Alliance more for not helping them when they’re so close by.
Heck, despite the Alliance finding the devoted first, they just help Vorrik to save their own man and then get out of there, never to help them again seemingly. When the Horde arrive the devoted are under attack and Vorrik have been captured again, they does not even have enough weapons to arm the few devoted able for battle, so the Horde have to steal supplies from the faithless to arm them and save the devoted prisoners they can to bolster their numbers.
No, they have never made sense as a playable race.
Cant.
Horde fault.
Horde fault.
Hammul follows the order of Circle of Cenarius first. So thats not a horde point either 
You canttbecause the horde is not doing it because they wanted it ; is because they need it.
Sure! .
Anduin trying to reunite the families from Lordaeron and Stormwind ; and crazy chick shotting everyone because shes insecure .
Anduin trying to make Garrosh better even if he died trying.
Varian not destroying Orgrimmar when they had the chance and give another chance for the horde to change (i was hoping to kill them all tbh).
Jaina not destroying Orgrimmar because Garrosh went full pepega.
As you can see ? i can continue like 100 more.
So we have done a lot of more quests in vanilla with bloodelfs . Does the Alliance have bloodelfs ?.
Your argument lost so quick.
Saying that Sethrak and vulpera are friends is like saying that all the troll tribe must be friend because they have a link.
I have to ask the same question ; are you just a fan boy hordewithout any common sense or do you really believe what you are writing ? just wanna know.