I feel bad for the devs working on WotLK SoM

Could be cool. I’ll wait til there’s more info before doom and gloomin :slight_smile:

It really is comical how stupid the current Activision employees working on WOW are. All you have to do is look at Dragonflight. They’re intentionally making mythic+ harder and effectively lowering the quality of gear people can get unless they’re some no lifes. WOW was the most popular when it was BRAINDEAD EASY. NO NORMAL HUMANS want the game to be difficult. So what do they do? Make Dragonflight HARDER. Restrict gear acquisition more. Try to release an unnerfed Ulduar.

Hi idiots. NO ONE wants unnerfed Ulduar. Only no life losers. The vast majority of players just want something mindless they can chill out and play with friends while they’re relaxing. They’re such asinine clowns they’ll never get it. WOW’s done.

ah so they are reinventing the wheel instead of just giving us what wrath had, RDF and a new emblem for each tier. there is 0 incentive for me to do heroics or heroic+ if im just gunna 25 gdkp every week anyway. why do something for free for weaker loot when u can get paid and get better drops

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Let me understand what you’re saying

Blizzard Tries something new in Classic to retail a constant flow of content

“This content will be dead in the water and will suffer from the same issues we have today: the pool of players participating on this content will be medium at start and then very low at the end”
Uh, I think you’re OVER estimating the position a LOT of players are. There are a LOT of people still doing Heroics daily to catch up because they haven’t played at start or people playing casually or people making alts. The point is to catch people up without having them go back into Naxx ONLY but this allows them to do Heroic+ or Nax. It’s not easy content at all either, this is harder content. It’s not something RFD will be good for it’ll quiet literally fail harder as it’s suppose to be like raiding Nax if it’s going to drop similar gear.

"why are they spending time making content that will not be as used as much from players. What is the purpose of investing developer hours on those? "

Because it’s a LOT of content that will not be done anymore. Only ever being done in original wrath again when introduced to RDF and having to forcefully give players incentives to do Random Heroics because no one was queuing in a higher level and queue times were high for anyone that wasn’t Tank or Healer.

The Classic Team is a lot smaller than you believe it is. It’s not the equal to the retail team. Not only this but their liberties to do with Classic is not the same as retail as Classic SOLEY exists because players wanted the experience of the older expansions as it was

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As someone that does GDKPs on the daily,

  1. They’re deff not rebringing you if you’re bad just so you can get a cut.
  2. If you aren’t geared already or have some gear you better be a buyer or a carry. There’s no in between. Not everyone has that liberty to do either side either poor or bad.
  3. If you are neither you’ll find yourself very quickly being on no invite lists on discords or someone they add on block. Unless you’re in a big realm (Like most people complaining on Forums) you’re going to run out of GDKPs that will take you.
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And you can’t even put a note saying if you’re looking for Titan Rune or heroic dungeons unless you get SMS protect with a post paid number. No reason to not separate titan rune from regular heroics, so people can find what they want easily. Or, let people type in LFG chat without being listed in group finder.

Have they done any iterations on their group finder tool since this post?

I dunno, sounds like it’ll be fun. I’m glad they’re trying different things on a small level, if you don’t need it don’t do it.

Wow that was a long post to complain about not having RDF. We get it.

In other news on any decent server heroics with the LFG tool are easy as can be to get into. Heck just leveled another mage last weekend and the only effort i put into getting a heroic group is to hit the “list self” button and boom, couple minutes later someone sends an invite.

Blizzard is doing something WRONG for classic.

They removed RDF from the game and created this “heroic+” which, by their OWN words, is a catch-up mechanism.

Ulduar ilvl gear will be 232 (normal 25) and 251 (hard mode, 25).

Heroic+ is dropping ilvl 200 gear.
Heroic+ is requiring at least pre-raid bis gear to run. It is slow because of higher hp and dmg mobs do and bosses with more hp, dmg and abilities.

On the other hand:

Naxxramas 10 man will drop 213 ilvl gear from Naxxramas 25.
Kel’thuzad, Sartharion and Malygos 10 will drop 226 ilvl gear from their 25 man version.

Naxxramas 25 will still drop 213 ilvl gear.
Kel’thuzad, Sartharion and Malygos will still drop 226 ilvl gear.

Both Naxx, Sartharion and Malygos, 10 or 25, will remain at same difficult next phase.

What do I mean with this:

It is easier to run Naxx / EoE / OS 10 and 25 to get geared as a "catch-up" and get 213/226 ilvl gear than doing heroic+ which is harder than regular heroics, slower than regular heroics, and it will drop ONLY ilvl 200 gear.

I hope that you understand it now.

Tell me you lack reading skills without telling me you lack reading skills.]

If anyone still don’t understand, let me summarize it for you like you:

They’re adding irrelevant content that will drop outdated gear that takes more effort to get than the existing raids in phase 1.


Have you thought that maybe, just maybe, heroic+ is more for alts than it is for mains?

I’m assuming the end bosses of each heroic+ will have some of the 213 drops from Sarth/maly/KT10. That’s probably a big enough draw for some filler pieces between weekly runs of naxx10 if you’re catching up.

Nice strawman? Its pretty obvious you are primarly just angry about a lack of rdf and simply trying to justify that anger by attacking any feature the devs decide to work on or implement that isnt rdf.

The gear dropped is only a portion of the heroic + change and the part you seem overly dialed in on (what do you just stop playing during a phase once you acquire everything you need from it?) Many of us simply enjoy playing the game and having a more interactive/challenging hardmode added to do while knocking out a daily heroic would be great even if there was no loot changes at all.

Maybe will you read it and understand that it is bad EXACTLY for ALTS?

Good. that is your best argument to attack my person instead of actually discussing the obvious problem with Heroic+.

That just shows how incapable you are of engaging in a high level conversation.
Why do not debate the topic itself? Can only debate by attacking me?

Childish at least.

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Is a failure to read past the first sentence a skill you’ve just recently acquired or has this been a historical problem? As im pretty sure the rest of my statements deal with your argument.

But to be clear. NOT EVERYTHING NEEDS BIS GEAR REWARDS. Hell it doesnt need item rewards at all. Is that plain enough for you? Making the game more interesting/enjoyable through having an additional difficulty level to heroics so they dont fall over quite so laughably is reward in and of itself.

BIS gear drops from Ulduar.
That is outdated content, meant for catch-up.

Your failure to read and understand the purpose of the heroic+ system is only matched by your passive-aggressiveness and your inability to write a single post without being a toxic waste.

Its cute that you only seem capable of pulling out specific lines to attempt to make a point. Spare parts man…

dude my first gdkp had a 72 rsham in it and we didnt wipe on anything in all 3 raids

I want you to know that no, they didn’t want to call this a “catch-up mechanism” they literally word by word say they didn’t want to call it that because that’s not the purpose it’s fulfilling. They’re making a supplemental area to get gear. Where before you would NEVER do heroics again (because the gear was bad. That’s why they later added ToGC Heroics and ICC Heroics) you will no longer have to wait for raid lockouts every week to get any gear while still having a reason to do 10/25m Nax every week as well as giving you a reason to do Heroics.

I don’t think you understand the purpose of it, it’s not “catchup” it’s supplemental. They DONT want you to be spamming Heroic + for your gear, they still want you to have a reason to do raids but not have it being solely the only gear you can ever get. Esp since they will ALSO be increasing raid drops from both versions of Nax with 25M giving more drop numbers than before.

You’re also OVERESTIMATING how hard these Heroic + are, they’ve quiet literally balanced it around people PRENAX GEAR not anything above that. Is it harder? Yes but it’s on the level for someone that will be doing 10 man Nax today. Which is a LOT of people.

Heroic+ is harder than heroic and it will take a lot more than a reg heroic to clear due to high hp given to mobs and the pre-naxx gear will not help you clear it faster.

your argument is so fail that you forget the simple fact that currently naxx is balanced around pre-naxx and you can clear naxx easily with pre-naxx gear for BETTER GEAR than heroic+ why would do a content that takes LONGER for LESS and WORSE rewards?

So are the heroic+ dungeons going to literally drop current tier raid loot or will it be scaled up ilvls on the items they currently drop?