I don't understand how multiboxing is different that botting

[Joyson-sulfuras]

@Demoneye-bloodsail-buccaneers

So a multi boxing program is automating a process that an individual could not do on their own is that correct?

not important because the result is that the player paying $75 a month is more powerful than another player paying $15 a month

[Thunderkoww-mankrik]

@Demoneye-bloodsail-buccaneers

So a multi boxing program is automating a process that an individual could not do on their own is that correct?

No, it’s not automating anything, it’s broadcasting keystrokes.

@Demoneye-bloodsail-buccaneers

Is it botting when the program makes a decision on what to do based on that click?

The program doesn’t make the decision. The user decides to assign the keybinds and then what keys to press.

[Demoneye-bloodsail-buccaneers]

So it is not about it being really different, it is one is more monetarily valuable and thus they come up with a justification why it is allowed and the other is not.

[Joyson-sulfuras]

@Demoneye-bloodsail-buccaneers

So it is not about it being really different, it is one is more monetarily valuable and thus they come up with a justification why it is allowed and the other is not

if you allow multiboxing you allow pay to win

[Esimpure-whitemane]

@Demoneye-bloodsail-buccaneers

So a multi boxing program is automating a process that an individual could not do on their own is that correct?

It is using a third party program to have other characters perform an activity that can be different based on what they are pre programmed to do.

So it can have one person heal based on the click, another charge, another dispel, etc. All from the same click. Is it botting when the program makes a decision on what to do based on that click?

I don’t know if they could do it on their own, but that is irrelevant. What they can or can’t do without software isn’t related since the software itself is not against the rules.

And no, not at all. There’s no pre-programming. All they do is mirror what you do. There’s nothing past that. You press a button to cast Fireball, every single instance will do whatever is bound to that. If they’re also Mages, it’s Fireball. If it’s a Priest, it could be SW:P. Whatever is in that keybind slot in that instance of the game/character will be attempted to cast.

The program does not make any decisions. Everything has to be handled and set up via in game macros (like, say, @focustarget macros) or else it won’t operate properly. It may cast the heal on the wrong target for example if it’s already targeted.

[Thunderkoww-mankrik]

@Demoneye-bloodsail-buccaneers

So it is not about it being really different, it is one is more monetarily valuable and thus they come up with a justification why it is allowed and the other is not.

The dev’s multiboxed in vanilla, I doubt money is the sole motivating factor.

@Joyson-sulfuras

if you allow multiboxing you allow pay to win

No, we’ve already been over this. Try to keep up. You have to level, train, and gear each character. That’s not pay to win.

[Esimpure-whitemane]

@Joyson-sulfuras

if you allow multiboxing you allow pay to win

No.

@Demoneye-bloodsail-buccaneers

So it is not about it being really different, it is one is more monetarily valuable and thus they come up with a justification why it is allowed and the other is not.

Ignore Joyson. He’s wrong and is being intentionally dishonest.

[Joyson-sulfuras]

@Thunderkoww-mankrik

No, we’ve already been over this. Try to keep up. You have to level, train, and gear each character. That’s not pay to win

why does leveing training and gearing each character keep it from being pay to win?

[Joyson-sulfuras]

@Esimpure-whitemane

Ignore Joyson. He’s wrong and is being intentionally dishonest

how am i wrong? how am i dishonest?

[Thunderkoww-mankrik]

@Joyson-sulfuras

why does leveing training and gearing each character keep it from being pay to win?

… because it’s play to win.

[Esimpure-whitemane]

@Joyson-sulfuras

how am i wrong? how am i dishonest?

The only way the multiboxer is stronger than the sole player is in world PvP. Pretty much nowhere else. In that case, the characters outnumber the sole character. It’s content that is completely irrelevant. If they want to pay five times the subscription to be able to gank random people in the world, all the power to them. But it won’t do anything in virtually any other instance - especially the ones that matter.

[Joyson-sulfuras]

@Thunderkoww-mankrik

because it’s play to win

just ignore the fact that you pay more

[Joyson-sulfuras]

@Esimpure-whitemane

The only way the multiboxer is stronger than the sole player is in world PvP

and in killing mobs, farming gold, soloing dungeons, and in overall survivability outside of raids

[Demoneye-bloodsail-buccaneers]

So would it still be considered replication if it adjusts the input based on specific criteria?

if I hit key 1 and it is a specific situation, and the program instead sends 3 would that be considered botting, or just repetition?

[Joyson-sulfuras]

@Demoneye-bloodsail-buccaneers

So would it still be considered replication if it adjusts the input based on specific criteria?

if I hit key 1 and it is a specific situation, and the program instead sends 3 would that be considered botting, or just repetition

irrelevant and a distraction to the main point being that botting isnt multiboxing

[Thunderkoww-mankrik]

@Joyson-sulfuras

just ignore the fact that you pay more

Because it’s entirely irrelevant.

[Joyson-sulfuras]

@Thunderkoww-mankrik

Because it’s entirely irrelevant

why is paying more irrelevant?

[Esimpure-whitemane]

@Joyson-sulfuras

and in killing mobs

Doesn’t really matter.

farming gold

Yes and no. A solo Mage can actually make far more gold than a multiboxer, and a multiboxer can’t do what a Mage can do even if they were 5 Mages.

soloing dungeons

Completely irrelevant, and that takes a lot more effort than just going as a group of 5.

overall survivability outside of raids

Uh… okay? What does this matter? Do you also think people who play on a PvE server are P2W?

[Thunderkoww-mankrik]

@Joyson-sulfuras

why is paying more irrelevant?

…because you still have to level, train, and gear each character - how can you be this stupid?

[Joyson-sulfuras]

@Thunderkoww-mankrik

because you still have to level, train, and gear each character

yeah but someone who doesnt pay that much cant do that even if they wanted to do all that