You might as well stop trying Ziryus, you’d have better luck getting blood from a stone as get Innovindil to see an opposing viewpoint. He watched a MadSeason video, drank the Kool-Aid and is now a firm “Ugg! Boosting Bad!” believer.
Oh the irony.
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Well except that TBC classic is not classic and boosts are not being offered in classic.
Minor details i know…
Indeed! It is good you can see that! You have made a great first step…
To say that the bots will be 86x more effective is dishonest at best.
For starters, he’s assuming a fair bit of things. I also think that 200 hours to 58 probably isn’t a fair assumption if we are playing by patch 2.4.3 rules where XP from 20 - 60 was nerfed.
Secondly, this only looks at the initial setup window. It ignores that a bot may be operating for several weeks or even months at full efficiency.
Even if we did assume that he got all of the math right, Blizzard would need to do a ban wave every 8.33… days in order for it to actually come out to 86x more effective. Anything after that and the number drops as both sets of bots operate at full efficiency.
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As someone has already said… the math requires the bot being banned in 8 days.
That’s never going to happen… and not how blizzard operates bans.
Edit: it’s not going to take 8 days for a bot to level assuming TBCC includes xD nerfs (and that was confirmed)
You are right, there are some assumptions made, and 86x it’s not necessarily true.
But even if it’s not 86x more effective it will still be more effective for bots to use boosts.
Even if it’s only 2x times more, it will still have a big economic impact in the game.
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There is no actual evidence to suggest it will be even x2 more effective.
1). It’s assuming 200 hours to 58. In a post nerf world that would be at least halved.
2). It’s assuming 8 days for a ban. Ban waves typically come in months… so 2-3 weeks (4 tops) is more typical.
Once you factor in the fact that it will only take 100-120 hours to level… AND they won’t be banned for several weeks… is it still more effective to boost?
Simon says no.
I said I wouldn’t respond to you again, but I found this too good to not respond.
You should really check your math, because using YOUR assumptions it will still be plenty more effective to boost.
Seriously, if you want to be right so bad then at least check your math.
This is the last time I will be responding to you, obviously you are still free to comment on this thread all you want, though it will probably be nothing of value.
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The best argument is:
It is my money, I do whatever I want with it, and if I want to boost a character with it, you have nothing to do, go mind your business and stop telling what others can or cannot do. It does not affect your game play, just your weak-emotion/feelings.
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Really? Can you prove that?
Saying something doesn’t make it true.
If it takes 100 hours you can level to 58 in 4 days.
You make gold in those 4 days by leveling.
In order for boosting to be more efficient the gold/money you can farm in 4 days has to be greater than the gold earned while leveling plus the cost of the boost.
You keep saying things with zero evidence that would happen.
That is fair.
It affects the economy which will in fact affect my game play.
This is just rude.
You haven’t actually proved the math. Out side of citing really unrealistic figures that have to be true for it to matter.
It’s unlikely it will even do this. Some quick math of my own here:
Looking up recent ban wave announcements I see a 60 day gap between them, so I’ll work with this number. Banning more frequently than that will be better if they do it though.
200 hours to 58(which I think is wrong, but I’ll run with it for now. It wont change the numbers much) is 8.33… days which means for the other 51.666… days both of the sets of bots would be farming at 200g/hr.
For the bot that starts at 200g/hr because they bought a boost they get 60 full days of farming or 1440 hours at 2 million gold her hour total for the 10k bots assumed.
That’s a total of 2,880,000,000 gold which is 2.88 billion.
The bots that have to level spend only 1240 hours at 200g/hr which comes out to 2.48 billion gold.
At this point I could assume that the bots which needed to level earn zero gold while leveling during those 8.33 days and even in that case the boost only adds ~16% total efficiency for the bots.
There’s a few calculations I didn’t bother to do that would lower that number, but in all honesty it wont lower it that much to factor in the cost of the boost or the gold earned by the leveling bots for the first 200 hours.
Granted it’s not a zero sum deal. The bots WILL benefit from the boost, but people are acting like that video is the whole picture when in reality it is a very small portion of it.
That is unless Blizzard actually starts banning bots more frequently than about once every 2 weeks.
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Another thing you must figure in: the boost is only worth it if the benefit of the boost is worth the cost.
Math doesn’t actually prove that it is, like you said.
give it up already. accept whatever blizz decides. There’s already 100+ topics on this garbage going both ways.
- It doesn’t affect the economy more than multiboxing did. And yet everyone was buying dark runes in the AH.
- It doesn’t affect the economy more than bots did, and yet people were buying Black Lotuses in the AH;
- It doesn’t affect more than people exploiting the terrain in PvP servers to get “safe” into AQ, BWL and Naxx. And yet, 99% of classic players did.
- It doesn’t affect more than mages selling dungeon boosts - yes, that is right.
So please, no, get back with more meaningful arguments. I would love to debate them if you can show me real damages to the game rather than innuendo.
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At 16% more efficient gold farming if it’s the same price as the boost in Shadowlands which is $60 USD, a boost becomes worth it if a bot earns more than $375.
Which I know we can’t prove one way or the other since we don’t know the revenue generated by the bots, but honestly those numbers seem pretty likely that they beat it.
Your math is on point, and I agree with all your points.
But there are also lot’s of things that are not being considered here.
Right now the only method of protection we have against bots is player reporting them in the outworld.
If they don’t even have to level and cant get instantly to BRD or other instance zones to farm then we would never notice their behavior and wont even have a chance to report them.
Also the boost will cause the leveling zones to be emptier which will allow bots to roam free without people ever reporting them.
I didn’t, but you’re welcome.
Also stop crying.