Class design is the true problem here. You can have the best zones ever, the best raids ever, you can have arthas drop down from a spaceship with varian and hand out snickers bars… it wont really matter if the classes dont feel satisfying to play.
I have been playing since wrath, and in my opinion class design in bfa is the absolute worst it has ever been. I play a lot of alts and classes just dont " feel " satisfying like they used to.
There is a lot on the line here and SL has the potential to be better than legion if you do it right. Make class design a priority and let’s make wow great again.
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Class design is not in a great spot, but it’s still about 7 or 8 million times better than vanilla, let’s be real for a minute.
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Rogues in vanilla were better than the dumpster fire of BFA.
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Haven’t even pre-ordered.
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me to, gonna have to see a lot to pre order, so far nothing enticing.
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People always complain about class design, but fail to give any specific examples of what they want fixed.
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They’re going to return some pruned abilities and that will help. I don’t want a three button rotation, that is boring. Give us our stuff back, especially the abilities that were moved to talents (regular and PvP). Stop removing stuff OMG!
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We asked for pvp vendors for years.
They aren’t coming in shadowlands.
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One of the main reasons I have 0 faith in it. They do not seem to care about what systems we prefer as paying customers. This “de-pruning” I have a feeling will be its own joke before its all said and done.
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inb4 hurr durr u don’t like gcd change but play classic?!
Unless they make PvP gear better in PvP again than PvE gear via scaling or resilience having a vendor isn’t going to mean anything.
PvP gear = PvE gear is the reason there are no vendors.
I am extremely against scaling because that destroys the gear progression aspect of an MMORPG.
What I take issue with is that a guy who literally listens to a DBM audio queue to move out of fire is literally being awarded more gear than me, than me who has to worry about tanking my rating into the dust if I don’t win games against another player (you don’t lose RIO score).
I am totally for PvP gear having some kind of unique stat or distinguishing feature that makes me better in PvP, but scaling was tried, and it was a failure.
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Smart move. Preordering to Blizzard seems to be nothing more than a reason to ignore alpha/beta feedback. Maybe a lack of preorders will get them hungry enough to actually pare back some of the boneheaded decisions they’re bound to make for Shadowlands.
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This leads back to the core issue being PvP gear not being uniquely better in PvP than PvE gear which IMO is the much more significant issue. Way more than a vendor.
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“bUt hOw caN u JudGe tHE gAmE if It isn’t EveN Out YeT?!”
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That’s not because of class design, that’s because of horrible balancing.
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Balancing isn’t even better in BFA.
I played Classic. I like it because it is extremely bursty, things die quickly, every class can do that.
In BFA? Only Locks and fire mages can nuke you, everyone else fighting a healer does literally 0 damage to them because healers never OOM or ever take damage.
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No? Every tank, healer, and dps are viable for whatever content they want to do. Not so in classic.
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I might be a casual, but I just wish they’d go back to balancing classes around the class/spec itself and not random items like azerite traits/essences/now corruption.
I know SL is gonna have us pick a faction (oh boy…) to get 1 or so extra abilities, but god dangit can’t I just go back to being a rogue relying on gear and not extra abilities that aren’t even mine?
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