really? because it seems like you understood perfectly.
the same could be said, yes!
people don’t just collect stuff in lfr, those who can and want to also go do it in heroic/mythic/normal/weeklies etc etc
Ok, so I was responding to a statement that LFR is only for sight seeing and not gear collecting (upgrades).
I was saying that’s a vague and omissive statement to make because it could be applied elsewhere just as easily.
I wasn’t commenting on mog collecting or saying that people don’t collect things outside of LFR.
Your extensive experience of LFR? Because I was talking about LFR and areas outside of LFR. Although I guess there’s nothing wrong with exclusively doing LFR with unenchanted gear.
Gold can be difficult to come by.
everyone and their mother will always roll need in LFR , I am surprised you don’t realize this. If my char wasn’t there, itd just be some other undergear alt who did less but still rolled.
no it’s a game, whats ridiculous is trying to police who gets loot
bring back PL that’s great, but please also realize that its actually more detrimental for your views to bring back PL. My main passes on mogs I already have plus all rings and trinkets because they arent mog related, but when you bring back PL and I bring in my main, I cant help it if I get neck #13 that I didn’t need when I could have passed under the current system
no I think its you who is barely reading and lacking in foresight because your suggestion is actually worse for the people you think you are defending
And I would rather roll against the system than against other people at this point.
It just needed a lot of tweaks.
There: everyone gets what they want.
I’m tired of seeing the bickering about it. Five years ago, the forums would have been in an uproar about gold spec with good reason.
Plus, I get tired of waiting for that ONE or TWO guys to roll.
I don’t know how else to explain this to you, but it’s incredibly narrow-minded to only consider one method of “upgrade” (iLevel) worthy in a game that gives us a wide variety of great ways to enjoy it and upgrade ourselves at endgame.
^ all of that.
You do realize that stopping overgeared players from rolling Need for transmog in LFR isn’t going to increase your chances at winning the RNG roll, right? I know a lot of people in this thread think the magic answer is removing overgeared players from LFR, but… that’s not how math works.
Whether the 9 or 19 other people in your raid are composed of you + overgeared players, or the 9 or 19 other people in your raid are composed of you + other low ilevel people, the math for your chances at winning the roll are the same.**
** Your odds could potentially be better if you were in a group with a bunch of overgeared players that were transmog hunting, because they’d potentially pass on trinkets, rings, and necklaces since those can’t be transmogged. If you were grouped with all love iLevel people, they would definitely be rolling Need on every single thing.
Honestly that’s better than the current system.
so you are willing to put up with an objectively worse system for ppl trying to gear alts because you cannot control yourself from policing who gets loot? that’s what that sounds like. I am ok either way ill end up running LFR all season hunting for the stuff I want. But you are pretending that everyone would be better off if a powerful character never got anything, like we came in and “robbed” someone as if in my place you wouldn’t get someone also rolling on it.
This tells me that this whole situation is based on feelings rather than actual fairness. It’s you who needs more perspective.
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We can only go by what Blizzard has given us, which isn’t a whole lot. Need has historically meant “gear upgrade”. We also have a specific Transmog roll. So we can fairly infer that Transmog is not covered under Need according to what Blizzard has given us. I’m not implying that “transmog” isn’t a valid “need”.
I feel that the addition of the transmog roll option, at least as it currently stands, was rather pointless. No one in their right mind would hit that button while Need exists unless Transmog roll was their only option. I’ve seen people win transmog rolls though, even recently. And I’ve won a couple of them in the past. People do use it. The circumstances and group composition, along with the gear they have, just need to align perfectly.
if they role for need for the transmog, thats fair.
however if they roll need and sell it, then thats an issue.
then the argument should have been done once you see that blizzard lets players choose to roll need on an item that isn’t an ilvl upgrade, otherwise they would have already restricted it just like they do with tier tokens.
Thats what blizzard gave us.
The only reason transmog buttons exists, is because they wanted to separate it from Greed.
so that greed rollers would be the last option over someone who rolled greed for the mog ( example a paladin cannot roll on polearms as a “need” because they are almost always agility so they can only roll greed.
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No it’s not.
PL is the worst loot system that’s ever been designed.
Thankfully it’s gone.
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Blizz, make it so that if I loot a mythic track piece, I get all the lower track colors. Problem “mostly” solved.
PL just needs deleted permanently
And incentive for geared players to do LFR removed
Well if you listen to the LFR only crowd they don’t need higher geared players.
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I would love this of course, would save me so much time. But try to look at it from blizz perspective. It’s well known they like having heroic/mythic raiders going into LFR, it makes their metrics look good and increases patch longevity.
If you just straight up remove that, these threads complaining about mains being present in LFR are gonna get replaced with these same ppl complaining that the game is dead because no one is queueing and that everything is too hard and loot has more competition than ever.
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How do you know if anyone needs something unless you are inspecting them, after the fact?
YOU DON’T
Which is the real problem, Loot Karen’s need to stop being Loot Karen’s.
We all know that you didn’t win something so you got triggered and “inspected” the person that did win to “determine” if they needed it (In Your opinion).
How about you just play the game and If you win a roll yay! if not? better luck next time. Let it go and leave it at that.
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This is a good thing. I don’t do LFR out of principle and the majority of it is because I’m tired of stupidity and shenegians being tolerated and not punished. I don’t care if left of bell curves exist, but I absolutely do care when people troll and try and suicide or otherwise make the run harder “for the lawls” and “I’m” the bad guy because I expect them ousted.
And what do LFR heroes actually gain when someone like me comes in and basically invalidates 3-4+ of them? It would be better if they kept to their own kind and learned and progressed with each other. This way they can feel like they earned their kill/gear
And the hall monitors who expect people to only roll on gear they “need” can be more assured that only barely geared schmucks are in there rolling on the gear they’ll lose anyway.
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