Off topic, but this is why some, myself included, want account wide set up for forums, so such accusations can be easily disproven,
Iām slightly ashamed of mine. It means I come around here way too often. 
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you and me both, only reason mine is so much lower is cause I moves servers/change names/etc every so often which results in a forum reset.
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true, I enjoy seeing my main char portrait but it probably should just be account wide setup
well now you are my alt too
Eh, for the WoW forums it could easily be along the lines of āaccount/btag posting as characterā Most that want account wide likes, flags, etc donāt want to limit one to a single character to most, just stop people from āabusingā the system that treats alts as separate accounts.
I donāt know enough about the forums but it does so ill take your word for it, but then donāt some ppl just have multiple accounts and it would be the same?
I mean you can say this but that is not true, all i did was post your words that LFG IS NOT YOUR TEAM, that is all.
Never said this either. But you are 100% correct, there are many things to do in this game outside of improve ilvl. Some are fun, others are not and that is a subjective opinion.
Yep, in addition to playing alts and doing professions and playing the AH etc. etc. etcā¦
If you say so.
WANT, the correct word is WANT. Itās not an upgrade for you to improve your character.
Oh that totally came across. I got it.
I am doing that for the ease of the conversation. If it would help you out i could take longer to answer back and just put āstatementā repeatedly. But the way i choose to do it shows YOUR answer to what is being asked or said, remember that mirror?
Kentaurus is your alt? Thatās not what i meant at all. I meant Rosenivy and Brislody (spelling of the names might not be right) who are the 2 i originally quoted.
Just for you complete quotesā¦
I canāt be ignoring all of your questions (which clearly was not the case) AND answering anything. Logically thatās not possible.
Currently, one can just roll another toon on the same account, which they already pay for, and the forum will treat it as a separate account. The idea behind this would more just make it āyou want to hide under a new account? pay the sub cost for itā,
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yea, they arent, lol.
pick a side.
all loot is WANT. people show up to raid because they want loot, please deny it.
But I will ask you again, and i hope you can answer this time. If i bring my alt with no gear, who qualifies as a āneedā according to you because the items are an upgrade, is that then acceptable in your book?
follow up question if not - how do you determine who is an alt and who is a main? right now you are accusing me of being an alt of someone else, so how will you know in game?
as long as you are actually answering after reading fully to what i said, and you read my other posts, and the rest of the thread, yes !! that would be great
Kentaurus is who exited the conversation with you, how many ppl did you scare away today exactly? did i miss more?
what i meant by this is that you have been quoting me a lot, but 3 words at a time instead of the complete thought, and then what you said was utterly difficult to understand in meaning. Itās hard to explain what its been like
Please dont ignore my previous post but I also wanted to add this, for context.
Im telling you to pick a side because in many of your previous posts you suggested power is more important than all other aspects of this game and therefore players who roll for mog are invalid and should just have to pass automatically to any character who āneedsā it.
Here are your quotes, they definitely suggest that you think all other ways to play this game are inferior and matter less, if you want to change your statement thatās fine, but then youāll have to tell me why rolling for transmog is such a bad thing if you accept that transmog competitions,collection games and RP are very real, and important parts of the game. Which I might remind you earlier you stated has been in mortal danger for years because of loot greed or some such, quoted here as well.
Yepā¦ I had someone actually win 2 tokens and then offer it back to me (I needed itā¦ really) for 5 kā¦ there is so much corruption and creeps in the gameā¦ it is here. Just try to enjoy, and ignore these scumbag creeps I guess. Itās what Iām doing.
My side is not to look at others as lesser because i have a ton of gear and find it necessary to rob folks of an upgrade (which will HELP THEM become powerful like yourself) because i WANT another color outfit.
Remember what you said about caring about pixels and how you could NEVER care about them so much.
If your alt can functionally help the raid succeed (appropriate ilvl) then sure bring your alt OR your main that needs new gear.
Look, here is the rub and this is why folks get upset. When you want that item and you NEED on it, it hurts others ability to progress to higher tier raids, in that way itās very different then 2 folks who NEED on an item they both need that are ups. That morally correct thing you said earlier, the reason it is āmorallyā an issue is because while you want the item for a color shift or you are a completist for outfits, you are DIRECTLY affecting and hurting others ability to succeed and improve their ability to go up tiers. If you donāt care about hurting others ability to improve because you want a color, you do you but thatās where the hate comes from.
Not from me, i certainly donāt hate you (your just another nameless faceless avatar on the forums), i donāt raid and this is one of the main reasons i stopped raiding. Not the only one but most of it goes all into the same bucket. People treating others like ānot my teamā WHILE part of their team becauseā¦reasons (you pick the reasons).
I donāt know who you are and honestly i donāt care. That i mentioned the other 2 toons i originally quoted was because lots of forum goers like to swap toons and pretend they are someone else. Lots of them will hop on other toons and like their own posts to get attention and validate their own posts. Itās a video game forum, some folks will report bomb others with multiple accounts. Lots of silly childish stuff goes on. I post on one toon and one toon only and i generally donāt care who is who. Just like i donāt know who Kentaurus was. There are some ways to find out things but iām not a forum ghoul and i donāt have time to waste on learning all of the inās and outs of forum alt jumping.
This is a ridiculous request, no one and i mean NO ONE is going to go back through 250 posts to see exactly what you said for later use when entering a thread that is 12 hours old. If you said it earlier (that you didnāt solo the raid) and it wasnāt to me directly i didnāt see it. You did however already reply directly to me (now) so itās a non issue. I mean seriously there are threads with 15 thousand posts and even more, would you read (much less remember) what everyone said all the way through before posting something? Come on now.
This is the only one today, give me some more time.
Alright, my bad, i will just try to not quote so much.
I understand and i think i have already answered above but i will reiterate. Improving ilvl is NOT the only thing but for MOST of the population it IS the most important part of the game. Why? Because ilvl directly correlates to what content an individual can do, especially now much more so than when i raided with raider IO and in game stats for M+ and certainly for higher tiers of raiding.
I donāt think there is a way to invalidate mog rolls BUT i do think they should take a back seat to improving ilvl because for me (and clearly others) i see an actual NEED is more important for the person that needs an upgrade than a mog.
I do think there is a hierarchy to the game and gameplay and getting gear is at the top. Itās what the vast majority of the population (not all) of the game plays for to begin with, whether they pvp or pve or both. Itās what for most people progression is about. Rolling for a transmog is not a bad thing but it is a lesser thing because missing out on a color is not going to keep someone (impact them) from progression raiding or running higher keys or maybe even getting into a better guild. Gear is why you can run higher level raids and get your server firsts and things like that or whatever you mentioned earlier, the color of that gearā¦not so much. The fact of the matter is that you can and WILL eventually get the transmog solo if you choose to do the content later when it can be soloād (yes i know that is 2 expansions from now) OR when you can 5 man it or just guild run it.
Like i said, you do you, i just donāt like it when folks have their progression hurt for transmog BUT there is nothing invalid about rolling for transmog and the things you mentioned are valid and important (just less important for the reasons i mentioned already), thatās why i agreed with the other poster about the idea they had about having a transmog roll and a gear roll (or at least thatās what i think they were implying).
As far as the game dying or failing to attract new players, read the forums, watch WoW videos about the game. The community has a reputation and itās not good. Maybe you see it different because you are so plugged into the community, idk. I never said it was in āmortalā danger but if you have been around any length of time, you already know that the population between Wrath and Legion and now, itās not the same at all. Itās not all because of loot greed but it wouldnāt hurt to treat each other IN THE GAME better.
Personally you can say anything you want about me or too me but iām not going to care after i read it, you can report me and iām not going to care about that either and i donāt play that game, had many forum vacations and my life goes on BUT i do remember in the game who to play with and who to put on ignore because they impact my gameplay or are just a POS. I have seen many people give up or leave the game because they canāt progress over the years, thatās not your fault, it just is.
Most definitely underestimated.
The amount of time I sunk into lfr sylvanas during slā¦ for my (still current) quiver mog would make your head spin xD
And this is what they fail to realize. One way or another, we are getting that gear for tmog. Itās getting used.
Me thinks this just boils down to āI DIDNāT GET MAH SHINY! ITS NOT FAIR!ā
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I only do it when no one else needs the armor and I ask. Itāll be for TMOG purposes about 99% of the time for me
It seems you are trying to dodge the question once again, but this answer suggests that you will stick by your original stance that power is more important than anything else therefore all other forms of content are lesser, and in a raid setting the concept āupgradeā invalidates all other forums of gameplay since I have to exclude myself from winning mogs so that someone else can upgrade their gear.
Do you agree?
There are 2 options, you either view all forms of gameplay as valid and equally important, and allow ppl to roll on what they perceive as needed for the purposes of how they play the game. Or you sit there and with your whole chest let everyone know that rolling is only valid if itās an upgrade, and the time of anyone with gear is less worthwhile than anyone who has no gear. Thatās it.
I believe you but I believe you were more making these accusations to avoid actually engaging with what i said and to try to lower the value of everything i said. but sure
You are saying I am hindering someones ability to progress in the raid when i roll on x item on my main, but not when i roll on that same item on an alt, who will 100% contribute less than my main in any setting (424 vs 486 ilvl) ? Is that correct? is that what you are telling me?
Please take a minute to think about this one because this is the best example of a lack of foresight. If i bring my alt i am gonna need to upgrade it (according to you, thatās what low gear characters need to do to progress right?)
So even though for me itās a repeat of the content, and my main already obtained many other available items, merely by virtue of any item being an upgrade, i am good to roll on it ? Do you not see how that is worse for everyone involved? I will get copies of items i never needed to see again on my main, because I am upgrading an alt with the same stuff. I am literally taking stuff that i wasnāt gonna roll on on my main, and now i have to roll on my alt to upgrade it too so i can do the content better.
I donāt know if you read this on any of my previous posts because I am convinced you didnāt read the whole thread and just reactively posted to the first 3 words on most of my sentences ā But my main automatically passes on items that donāt contain a mog, rings necks trinkets, stuff i donāt need, that all goes to the pool of people who need it. My main might need 1 item mog out of an entire pool of bosses, so have to stick around and help with all other bosses just to have a chance at that one item. You are telling me i have to pass on that one item every time someone wants it to āupgradeā and instead putting me in a situation where my crappy alt can once again reroll on all previously obtained items my main had because power is what matters most. Is my main passing on 85% of the loot not more beneficial to the pugs? Arenāt they benefitting more from me bringing a character that does 300k dps instead of one that does like 50k and competes with you on every piece of loot? You tell me.
meanwhile i think you start reading a sentence and immediately post because you skip over so many things.
so majority wins and dictates the minoritys playstyle, is that it? btw i think transmog enjoyers are a majority, but I am just allowing your hypotheticals to stand.
its hard to follow you because you are always on the fence of this, but slightly tilted towards the upgrade argument, and all i can say is that itās your personal opinion, and you cant tell any person that you āare rightā because some ppl literally only play this for collection and transmog, and you are telling them to put themselves second based on your notion
that kind of posts never goes away, but it seems like you are very a -ok with the āmajorityā telling the āminorityā that their enjoyment of the game is less important than power accumulation, maybe thatās the sort of treatment that drives away players. I dont think it unfair for the worst player in the world who did nothing but die, or the most geared and skilled player in the world to roll on an item they both want, to progress in their own way. Your stance is that the skilled/geared players time is less valuable and should just wait for a few years to get something they wanted and yield loot to any random low ilvl gear character.
yes and its sad because I am happy to bring my main and just smash the raid for peeps while passing on majority of loot I donāt need, just for the chance at a selection of items I want same as them, but apparently theyād just prefer if I bring trash to roll on everything. Or maybe they really just want me to carry them while the never ending revolving door of alts just gear up at my expense.
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There is no such thing as a greed button in LFR itās need unless greed then Transmog.
But it isnāt barring you from content rewards; you had a chance at loot, and you lost the item
It doesnāt much matter who it went to at that point tbh
If that were the case they would be doing mplus to gear not crying about LFR drops
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