If someone is going to act like a selfish jerk, then you better believe I’m not going to respect them under any circumstances. Not until they stop, anyway.
People play the game for different reasons or goals. Their reasons and goals for rolling don’t always have to align with yours, nor should they. Everyone plays the game for different reasons.
All along, I had been saying that everyone deserves an equal shot at loot from a boss kill. You either win or you lose. Others either win, or they lose. How much fairer does it get than that? Just because you don’t like it, that’s not really my problem.
I will concede on one thing though. Two wrongs don’t make a right. However, that doesn’t make talking with someone with your views on this any less frustrating. Especially when we all want the same thing: equality. It’s just that your view of equality only benefits yourself, and I do not agree with that.
It could just come down to feeling more “entitled” because, if the ivl is lower or whatever, they feel they would use the piece more then one just rolling for Tmog.
Is this right? maybe, maybe not but this is why we get into these discussions because people think it should go to the one that will use it more.
Oh, really, what benefit is it to me if I don’t roll need on anything but items I need? how does it benefit me if I get nothing an entire run because I try to let those that need, even if they need for Tmog, get loot I could “need” for the same reason, but don’t roll need on? There are only potential 2 benefits for me: one is something that could come from Karma, I.E. I don’t take loot from others that need it, ideally for upgrades only but for Tmog as well, and am rewarded when I win an item that is an actual upgrade for me. But as everyone knows, Karma can be a female dog. The other is someone follwoing my example and, as a result, potentially reciprocates what I did for them they do for me.
Maybe my view of equality just stops at being able to roll on it, beyond that, anything is fair game when it comes to calling others out.
Keep in mind, to honor my vies of equality, I could just as easily be one that rolls need but then either offers it up to those that it would be an upgrade for or check the highest rolls and give it to the 2nd highest (or highest after me) that it would be an upgrade for.
This is the correct take, I am not really here to discuss diplomacy or if some feelings got hurt, that’s not my problem.
Factually speaking any rat alt on their first week of their raiding can roll on the mog I’ve been farming for 20 weeks and win it and I’m not gonna go cry on the forums that they didn’t contribute to the kill, died doing 100 dps, and then just snatched the item, they won I didn’t.
It wouldn’t be fair for me to ask Blizzard to prevent the worst underperformers in the world from being excluded from rolling, just as it isn’t fair for those people to ask blizz to exclude me from hunting the items I desire because I have a better item. Nor would it work, it would just make me bring an equally geared rat alt to roll need on NOT JUST that one item, but every item, since now I can just gear 2 characters.
My main can pass on every ring, trinket, neck, and mog I’ve already obtained. You will not have such luck with my alt, ill be rolling on things my main already has, and ill contribute less to the group since you didn’t allow me to bring my main.
At the end of the day, your dice is as good as mine, roll and accept the outcome. There is no version of this system where you can improve your chances, if you restrict mog hunters they just won’t show up and be replaced with alts in 424 gear who will roll EVEN harder.
This point of view isn’t really worth discussing because then you are saying every roll should be done case by case. I am a player who has been here since vanilla, and I enjoy transmogging very much.
I can just imagine that many of these characters are temporary flavor of the month things that wont ever get used again, and these didn’t actually need the piece that much, whereas I can get more mileage out of a transmog piece for competitions and such.
I can argue this with you all day but it just comes out to personal value. The only thing you can do is accept that I pay my 15 dollars (or 300k gold) for sub and I am entitled to roll the dice if i participate on a kill.
I also think that if blizzard went in the direction of restricting overgeared chars from rolling LFR would just be worse off with longer queues since mog farmers/collectors would just stop coming. Or in my case I will 100% bring another alt who has no gear in order to earn the “right” to roll on items, so the initial logic is flawed. I am happy to be carried instead of carrying for a change, and I will roll on ALL the things my rat alt can use things instead of just the one I wanted.
No i don’t. I don’t have to respect ANYONE who puts their color armor over helping another player gain power (which is the POINT of the game each season/tier).
I’m ok with low quality people, i would rather they out themselves than hide in the shadows. Once you know, you know.
I’m ok with copium too. However, ask yourself what’s better for the game?
And when personal values clash, messes are made and everyone is left sore and resentful. The best thing to do is for the system to try and limit clashes of personal values. This is near impossible with GL, so maybe a return to PL is what is needed for LFR.
LOL, they always run away when you put the mirror in front of them. Thanks for the laughs at least, only a couple but like i said, i’m ok with copium too.
no that’s what you think the point is, but that’s only for you. I don’t see blizzard posting that anywhere, that the point of the game is for me to donate my time to gear some other dude I don’t know and will never see again , while I waste time.
sure I don’t care, but please also realize that’s a worse idea. Since literally nobody will ever pass on anything because they can’t
Me bringing my main to LFR is a boon to those raiders, if dps is too low I just fix it, if healing is too low I just fix that, I pass on anything i have already collected, and 95% of rings and trinkets and necks are useless since they don’t have a mog. Lastly, any mog i Already own is an automatic pass.
With PL it means i can end up getting items i truly will do nothing with other than vendor. and only the most situationally aware opportunists will benefit, which i don’t think is a particularly good group of ppl i want to benefit.
Chances will not numerically improve in PL, so this change would not only be pointless, but detrimental to the goals of the kind of people that made this thread.
I am not worried either way, i accept the system as is and I will play under whatever set of rules the game has. My enjoyment of the game does not rely on what people around me are doing or how they play.
If you call viewing the situation, realizing you are bashing your head against a wall and deciding not to do that anymore running away, then sure. Enjoy that “win”. Bye now.
yea I don’t know that person they didn’t even communicate with me and I will never see them again idk what you expect me to do, I don’t play this game to do charity, that’s what you should do in real life.
