Just throwing out Blizzard’s own verbiage about GL vs PL and rolling Need from the beginning of Dragonflight Season 1: Source: see my post above, it doesn’t want me to post the link again.
“As many in this thread have speculated, all players in Personal Loot were constantly ‘rolling’ behind the scenes, whether you wanted to or not. It’s not as simple as ‘with group loot you’re rolling against everyone, but in personal loot you’re rolling against fewer’. Changing to Group Loot for raids makes the process of loot acquisition and distribution more transparent and gives players more freedom to trade loot around and allocate it socially if they choose to do so.”
From their own clarification we have GL in LFR to give us more freedom to trade loot around and allocate it socially IF we choose to do so. Nothing in there suggests you should or that you have to. If you get the dice to roll Need, you are allowed under their rules to roll Need, they do not specify any requirements to what constitutes as need, they just give more specifics for when you will or won’t have the option to roll.
If you want more control on the social aspect, it’s best to form a social group made up of friends or guild members. A premade group still tips the odds in your group’s favor should you choose to do so.
Until Blizzard makes it so that there’s another way to get those transmogs they know people want, those are your options. Everyone’s time in LFR is worth the same and no one gets to dictate who “deserves” the loot more when Blizzard’s system has determined they have the right to roll.
(Blizzard absolutely knows what they’re doing here. If you want all the colors you gotta do all the raids at all the levels, which keeps LFR active all the way through the expansion for everyone.)
But by you rolling need on everything, for whatever reason, the message you are sending is your views trump theirs. The only difference between you and them is they are open about wanting their views to trump yours while you are more like “if you want the loot, follow everyone else” which, while not spoken, makes people feel like their views are not valid because not everyone follows them.
Blizzard should subtract the percentage of remaining boss health when a player dies from their loot rolls.
So if someone dies at 90% boss HP and they roll 99, their roll is updated to: 9 (and for negative values, set roll to 1). If transmog runners weren’t in LFR I think there would be a much higher failure rate without these people to carry the dead weight.
no, he’s saying draw lots like everyone else. Statistically, each person is likely to get what they want if they participate in enough raids. It is possible, but unlikely, for someone to lose out 20 times in a row. That’s luck.
Saying group B (transmog) is permanently behind group A (ilvl) permits the possibility that group A keeps expanding and pushes group B out of the season. That’s not luck, that’s the system excluding them.
Good thing Blizzard has a system in place to determine when someone is eligible to roll Need or not. No one has to justify their Need roll if the game deems them eligible, no matter how much you don’t like it. My time is just as valuable as yours in LFR.
Too bad it doesn’t work the way we were told it would, since players can roll need on items their class can’t even use, players can roll need on multiples of the same item and win them all, and players can win every item that drops off a boss.
Never said it didnt happen. Please stop trying to imply I said something I didnt. You already lie and show a complete lack of understanding of how the loot systems work.
You have lied about how the loot system works many times. I don’t understand how you think you can dupe people into believing that a boss that drops 3 identical items that not a single person in the raid can use doesn’t reduce the amount of usable gear to the raid.
Of course you wouldn’t fix the issue. You’re probably making money from it.
Yes, you are right. They aren’t “loopholes”. They’re deliberately created exceptions in the GL system to allow for higher ilvl players to still roll need on lower ilvl gear because of those differences.
So really, blizz has looked at the situation and said, “you know what? Yes. They should be able to roll need on such gear”. And that’s ok.
What do you think is the altenative? You think removing my geared main from the equation means you get more loot? No it just means youll be stuck playing with my 0 gear alt who rolls need on everything instead of just the mogs i wanted. Im not gonna bring my main to gear random ppl i dont know, thats not what im paying my sub for.
I personally don’t do lesser content, but if I did, if I felt so inclined to roll, I absolutely would.
Why do I care about your gearing needs? You aren’t in my raids or my mythic+ groups thus those drops in no way benefit me…and make no mistake, I care about me and mine. I helped with that kill and given my gear and skill level, especially relative to those in lesser tiers of content, I can all but guarantee I’m pulling far more than my fair share of the weight to help secure that kill.
Geared people do not exist to funnel you gear since that is what carries are for. You get your roll and everyone else gets theirs. I’m not even advocating for a weighted die based on contribution even though, again, that is most fair. If you are a left of bell curve who died to the first avoidable thing and did less damage than your presence added to the boss, you shouldn’t get the same odds as someone who did the mechanics and crushed your output.