I defeated the mage tower tonight. My thoughts

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Don’t need to ask why it is like that. Literally most people are bad at using their full spec’s toolkit, myself included in that most people category. For most people, it really is a “git gud” situation, myself is included in that.

Yes, some specs have it easier, but just because something is easier does not mean another thing is impossible.

More than half the players complaining about it are more people who just don’t have it in them to concentrate that good or put 100+ attempts into it to learn the patterns of everything and get used to it.

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You need to nerf it and increase the duration for another week, OR OR make it a permanent thing???.

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So they nerfed that ocular SoD trinket to the ground while in mage tower and didnt evet put that info into todays hotfix notes… Now mage tower become significantly harder for many classes for no reason… And they also significantly increased difficulty for Surv hunters and fae DKS with hotfix… Seems like they are doing opposite of what is needed. What s shame!

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Has nothing to do with using the full kit or not.

When Fury can literally destroy imps in 1 GCD and burn through Agatha’s Dark Fury shield in 2, compared to other specs who have to work at it, then you get what you get.

I have pretty much all CEs from the last 3 expansions, including 600 pulls on M KJ in Tomb before getting the kill. Have gold CMs in WoD and MoP, 29 of those Legion MT appearences, one pre-Tomb even.

Don’t tell me what I have in me. It’s ridiculous how much easier it is for Fury than Unholy for Agatha.

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A good reasonable challenge is good for the game, absolutely.

However, the current iteration of these challenges is not good for the game. It breeds only frustration within an already frustrated playerbase, during a period when the game is already struggling due to poor choices(both at the game level, and company level).

Given the original Mage Tower was tuned around Tomb of Sargeras gear, with an artifact and two legendaries. This TW’ing version should be tuned to be somewhere between Tomb of Sargeras and Antorus(before the overcharged artifact). Not tuned to be the difficulty it was during Nighthold before nerfs.

There is a reason Kruul, for example, had to be nerfed about half a dozen times before it was reasonable for most people(while still being very challenging).

With all the hype, everyone that stayed subscribed just for the Mage Tower coming back and everyone who resubscribed due to the hype. They may very well leave and not come back this time.

Reasonable challenges are good. This current iteration is far from reasonable. PTR tuning was good, challenging but doable. The insane buff to everything was not needed.

We have zero borrowed power. Old tricks that used to work no longer work. Classes have changed drastically since Legion. So the tuning should reflect that. Without borrowed power, we are incomplete since we keep being designed with borrowed power to fill in our gaps.

We are literally incomplete classes, attempting challenges designed around classes that were completed via the artifact and enhanced by legendary items.

I’m all for challenging content and I’ve completed reasonably difficult things during my time with WoW. All 36 challenges during Legion, Warlocks green fire in Timeless Isle 496 gear, 20+ keys timed.

This tuning is not reasonable. Doubly so since the reward is a recolor of a set that was already an updated recolor. Adding that Legion TW’ing will happen for 1 week every 5 months(so twice a year after this initial two week event). Its just…beyond frustrating. Peoples hype is already fading. The crowd of people excited to do these challenges has already dwindled to less than half of what it was.

That is a horrible look for something so hyped. That so many people looked forward to.

Please adjust the tuning Blizzard. Go back to the PTR tuning. Or if you felt that was too easy, buff the PTR tuning by 10% or so. This almost double shadow buff is too much.

Edit:

During Nighthold, I did Kruul on this girl. I did the BM challenge the day it came out after about 4 pulls. I one shot the Disc one having never played Disc. During Tomb I did most other characters. And during Antorus, I finished off toons I never played(Mage and Rogue mostly).

This current tuning is Nighthold, prenerf levels and substantially harder for some specs. Which is not a reasonable challenge, futher, Blizzard noticed the tuning was a bit much even then, thus almost every challenge got nerfs with some like the tank challenge getting several rounds of nerfs.

These should be tuned to between Tomb of Sargeras(which is what they were initially tuned for) and Antorus, before the overcharged artifact.(given we have access to zero borrowed power). Somewhere between there.

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The Blizz testing is ABSOLUTE garbage.

The only they are ever good at is frustrating the players, and harassing employees.

Like why do pro streamers with tons of gold themselves need SEVERAL tries to unlock their main spec Mage Tower reward? It is so much harder than what it was in Legion.

ZERO FUN MT, DO NOT RESUBRCRIBE for this garbo at all. Have no idea if MT is meant for rank 1 players, or those with 6 hours+ / day

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Nerf it until it’s fun at least.
Right now it’s a mind numbing slog of repair bills on some specs. If people want to farm old gear to smash it, thats on them, but it shouldn’t be like an unwritten requirement to clear outdated content… js
And yes I know it has recolor sets and a new bear skin… so outdated may not fit to some people, but for cosmetics… really?
The only real reason I’ve hung around this long through 9.1.5 was knowing MT was coming… and this isn’t worth the wait… at all.
We should have waltzed in with powers intact or legion leggos active and been able to blitz it for fun. Instead with everything disabled it shows how bad scaling is in general, much less between specs.
Solid 2/10 so far.
Could I pound my face on the keyboard to clear it, eh maybe, but I play games for fun…not frustration.

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Sorry for nitpicking, but this confuses me. How “large” can that majority be if you then refer to the other “half”? :thinking:

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It is about the symbolism of hate that a pointed white hood represents. Comparing something that resembles the garb of an organization that lynched, tortured, and espouses hate to this day towards people due to the color of their skin to ‘food and water’ goes beyond being ‘pretty cringe’ and is just downright ignorant. The issue isn’t it being a ‘white hood’ or a ‘pointed hood’ it is that it is a ‘pointed white hood’ with a profile that is indistinguishable from that of a clan robe, just because YOU don’t see it as racist doesn’t mean that millions of Black Americans don’t.

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Not guardian Druid you didn’t.

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You guys should have a test server where players can give feedback, where you can monitor player progress, and where you can tune encounters like this before releasing it on live.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

After a loooong break I came back shortly after 9.1.5 released, because on the surface it appeared you were listening to player feedback. There are some nice QoL changes in 9.1.5 to be sure, but then weren’t all these changes conveyed to you from PTR player feedback in beta?

Oh that’s right, we clearly don’t know what we’re talking about and you all know best. From 9.2’s preview it is just more of the same. Unless 10.0 is revolutionary, my WoW days are officially dead.

Perhaps others are right when they say longtime WoW players are not the target audience and haven’t been for some time now. I don’t know the metrics but you sure as hell better be getting more new players to replace your faithful players who have paid thousands of dollars over the years supporting your game and livelihood.

There’s still hope I suppose, but the proof will be in 10.0.

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So all white hoods with a point can represent them? That group doesn’t exist in Azeroth and this game is not real life. If there was a group of people with that set of armor going around lynching other players then I’d see your argument, but there isn’t because that literally doesn’t exist in this game.

And I think comparing things in a fictional video game to reality is way beyond cringe. If a white hood in a video game bothers you thats pretty sad.

Oh my bad, those 2 things together is the only reason its bad. Lol. Its a game bro. Your reminding me of those “orcs are black people” people. Stop trying to find racism where it doesn’t exist. Maybe you should take issue with the fact in this game Horde and Alliance commit genocide against each other because of their race, and not focus on a white piece of cloth with a point on it. /shrug

Again, I’d have never looked at it that way cuz its just a white helmet to me. Probably why it made it into the game in the first place, because its just a white hood, which there are plenty of in WoW. But leave it to people looking for racism in literally everything to find an issue with it.

Then they can choose to not use it. As long as someone isn’t using it and going around burning crosses or lynching people then I fail to see the problem. A white hood is simply that, a hood thats white. Like I said, stop looking for racism in everything. When you stop actively trying to find something, especially when it isn’t even there, you’ll realize its less of a problem than you perpetuate it to be. I also doubt millions of black Americans even play this game according to recent sub numbers. Are you suggesting that you are offended on behalf of people who literally don’t even play the game as well?

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You honestly sound like a racist troll or the most sheltered ignorant person at this point.

We as a society don’t put swastika’s, hitler mustaches, etc because of the what those things represent and clan robes are another taboo. Bet you think the confederate flag is fine because it’s ‘just a flag’ too?

Go educate yourself.

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Well that didn’t take long. I disagree with you about a piece of cloth in a game therefore I’m racist. Lol. You don’t know who I am or my nationality.

A swastika I get, though that was actually taken from a symbol that meant peace. But a Hitler mustache? Really? Lol. Now face hair is racist. Okay my guy.

And who decided that the warlock set represented robes from that group of people? Oh thats right, you did. What gives you the right to decide that?

You decided they were clan robes, I decided they were exactly what they were said to be, a warlock tier set.

Actually the confederate flag represents far more than just slavery, so no I don’t personally have a problem with it, but I don’t advocate for it either. Maybe you need the education and not me if you don’t even know that /shrug

A quick google search

" After the war the Confederate Battle Flag would persist as the most-recognizable symbol of the Confederate States of America. The state flag of Mississippi integrated the Battle Flag as its canton, while the flag of Georgia, in its various permutations, included elements of both the Battle Flag and the Stars and Bars. Beginning in the latter part of the 20th century, many groups in the South challenged the practice of flying the Confederate Battle Flag on public buildings, including some state capitols. Proponents of the tradition argued that the flag recalled Southern heritage and wartime sacrifice, whereas opponents saw it as a symbol of racism and slavery, inappropriate for official display."

Its almost like it can mean different things to different people. And just because you and others think it means just this one thing, doesn’t mean it actually does only mean that one thing.

Anyway your not changing my mind, I’m not changing yours. I honestly feel bad for people like you who go out of their way to look for things that make them miserable. I just enjoy things and accept them for what they actually are /shrug. Good luck with your mage tower appearances though. :smiley:

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Yah done replying, you’re beyond hope if you can’t even comprehend putting yourself in someone else’s shoes.

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I worry about myself. I’ll never be offended on behalf of someone else. They don’t need me to be offended for them and for me to use my voice for their concerns, they are perfectly capable of doing that themselves. In fact I think being offended on behalf of another actually makes it worse on them. What makes you think they need you to be offended for them? Do you think they are incapable of voicing their concerns themselves?

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I played through Legion, I got lucky and had all my old BiS gear for my guardian druid which made it drastically easier. I guess being a gear hoarder isn’t such a bad thing xD

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Yeah this place is way over tuned. I did all the Druid ones in Legion before they were out geared and this is way harder. I am all for a challenge but at least make it so some specs and classes have a chance.

This isnt a fun challenge, this is challenge made brutal by punishing RNG, lack of proper tuning, the need to farm old gear and generally not friendly to anyone but the most hardcore player.

When you add in the rarity of this event its pretty sad that Blizzard let this go live.

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Stripping you of the items related to the content that were used in that content isn’t making it a challenge

It’s just lazy development, by lazy developers.

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The reason why I can tell the Mage Tower needs nerfed (in my experience of the Guardian Druid one) is not because of the mechanics of the fight. It’s compared to it’s PTR iteration (which those values were fine imo). The health of the bosses and adds are inflated. They were buffed between the PTR testing and now to the point where you’re spending like 8-10 seconds killing those adds which makes subsequently p1 take that much longer resulting in many more infernals. Whereas on the PTR I could end p1 with 2 infernals, 1 if I was on a good attempt, now I routinely get 3-4. Varriss went from 45k health on the PTR to about 50k health on live, and Kruul from about 57k ish health to 68k and the adds seem to have like double the health they did. For the guardian druid challenge, everything just seems to need a bit of a health nerf. The tank challenge should be about handling mechanics correctly (interrupting drain life, not getting punted, not letting velen die, proper orb management)etc. Instead right now most people are getting blocked by unrealistic dps checks that weren’t present during testing, or at least more realistic on the PTR.

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