Too bad that “highest ST burst” you brought up is literally turned off/disabled inside the MT challenge 
So we’re left with 30 seconds of “kinda” burst with HoTW, and after that it’s back to spamming Thrashes and Swipes which hit like wet noodles 
…and Maul costs a bunch of rage which you need to pool up for the first 2 Annihilate hits.
This is a matter of context. We are talking exclusively about Mage Tower here w/o any borrowed power. We have absolutely zero burst.
And even Convoke chicken, or Frenzy, bears still fall quite far behind. Playing almost flawlessly in 19’s, popping chicken on a quad pull, yes, I get nice AoE out, but overall damage, 7k at best, while DH’s can pump 11k+ overall.
What you mean? This has everything to do with class design flaws. W/o UFR/convoke, Druids would officially be D-tier tank in Shadowlands comparing to every other tank. We live on UFR. This is single-handedly the sole ability that allows us to be damage sponges.
And you know, arguably, you’re better bear than I am… Maybe. I am a pugger who just does occasional 20’s for fun, while you probably have a team you push with. Maybe. Or maybe not.
Single target damage, w/o convoke, but just Thrash/Swipe/Moonk/Maul(?) will get you to 3.5-4k at best. 5k if you pop incarn. Maybe. This is pennies comparing to every other tank spec in the game. Even warriors have significantly higher damage output. a vdh tank in my guild pulls 11k overall every run. I struggle to get 7k, and that’s convoking as chicken every 2 minutes.
Brawler’s Guild should be a good marker for difficulty, honestly, if scaled maybe a bit higher.
That’s interesting. I wonder if this was intended by blizzard. The scaling inside the mage tower just feels kind of wonky. Anyone else?
Really truly disappointed to see this. Basically if you just complain enough you can get changes —- a modern principle the world seems to operate on more and more.
I worked hard to achieve the MT before this nerf and now all my hard work is going to be disqualified just because a lot of people didn’t spend MORE THAN ONE DAY trying to learn their challenge and get better with their class.
Truly disappointing. I bet if you
Give it a week you will see many more completing it without consumables. I already am seeing tons of the challenge mode mogs out in the world, so it’s not that hard for a fair number of people.
Really disappointed that you guys used every rhetorical whining trick in the book to get them to make something easier just because you couldn’t be bothered to spend time and get better. Stinks.
Basing your life on what others don’t have isn’t really a healthy thing, my guy, especially in a video game. You know you did it without the nerfs, who else matters?
And the generalizations that @Angrymama made meant nothing either since they’re even false with templates and scaling applied in the Mage Tower; just saying.
See above; my comments were meant to be rhetorical because the generalizations were even false themselves in the context of the MT challenge too.
The point is that’s a scaling/tuning problem and not an inherent class/spec problem which is all I was trying to convey in the first place. Thrash will still be our top damage even in MT by a drastic margin with Moonfire using GG being second if done properly.
Well part of the problem I’ve seen by people who have complained about the MT is they’re taking Brambles which does poop damage and absorbs at that level. If people tried to use Bristling Fur or even Blood Frenzy they’d have an easier time.
I haven’t even seen in rogue mog on the forums, xylem definitely needs some tuning. You sound ridiculous.
Any faith I had in retail players is completely gone with the amount of complaints. It wasn’t easy before it shouldn’t be now.
Thats nice and all, now go try the guardian one.
Ok so? Some challenges are way too overtuned for some specs. Let people have fun? Most of you completed magetower in 7.3 which was very easy compared to me beating 2 challenges day one when it came out. I knew it will get easier from time to time and you should have known that it will get nerfed very quickly this time around as some specs struggle way more.
You literally spent 2 days of attempts and declared it’s too hard. It’s like trying to do the first week of Med school and whining that there is too many facts to learn and they should make it easier to become a doctor.
(Obviously it’s not the same cause this is a game but it’s an analogy to prove a point).
It literally just became the META to complain.
If you want to do damage in Mythic+ on AoE, don’t play NF is all I can say. Venthyr can easily do upwards of double that DH damage; but again that’s not in context of MT so I digress.
Doing m+ pugs and still seeing people fail interrupts on SoA, I must say its this one.
Covenants are disabled in MT right now. There’s no templates either. Bears can’t pump DPS in there like you pretended.
Angrymama was correct, you are not.
My thought is that this should always be available and not on a rotating schedule if it is going to be tuned hard otherwise it screams gime gime money since you players don t like shadowlands sorry we are forcing the sub kek
I don t mind the sub to do mage tower, i mind it only available once in a blue moon and don t care about the difficulty
Only on the forums would Mage Tower be compared to med school.
You miss the point. Original magetower got devalued for people who done it day 1 until tomb release on whatever cycle.
I am annoyed by it too that all you can show is that you completed it in april 2017 to “proof” and nothing else you have to offer. This here will be the same thing. It feels stupid but was to be expected by today’s standards.
I am glad you got it done, but you have to live with “show achievement date” just like the rest of us back then who did not cheese it in 7.3 lol.
Y’all can make fun of me if you want, I didn’t complain until they made it easier. I got the MT appearance and all you’re doing is crying about it. Time to git gud mate
Yes, for some thats all it takes because they have eyes and have an experience as a consumer. Them stating that something is hardly tuned does not mean that your work is disqualified. If anything it means that you did something harder than the rest which is a compliment.