After instigating conflict after conflict I believe the Horde should no longer be in the hands of a single individual. There is no accountability except for bloody civil war and that must change. This is how I would change the Horde and the role of Warchief.
The Horde should no longer have a Warchief as we are accustomed to. The Warchief should only have authority in times of war or strife.
Activating the Warchief
The Warchief is activated when the Horde is faced with military action or disaster. They will be held accountable after the reclaiming of peace via tribunal. This is to ensure accountability for the Warchief and that they act in the best interests of the Horde and it’s member states.
The Warchief and the Kor’kron
The purpose of the Kor’kron should be to ensure the safety of the Warchief and of the Horde. The first part of the Kor’kron’s purpose is to protect the Warchief’s life at all costs. The second part is to remove the Warchief by any means necessary. This is to prevent power grabs and the installment of a permanent dictator.
The Horde and it’s members
Cultural differences within the Horde is one of it’s biggest weaknesses. Some of the members will never see eye to eye. Being a member of the Horde should just mean having a positive relationship with trade and military. The Horde should not have power over states autonomy. Freedom should be the unifying factor within the Horde, not honor or pragmatism but the freedom to choose how one exists.
War and land "acquisitions"
War and land “acquisitions” would have to come to a vote between the Horde’s leadership. A vote for offensive ventures is important as this would affect the Horde as a whole.
Blizzard really likes the Horde so they are turning the blue faction into the Horde.
The Horde has always been a tyranny and if they lose that they stop being the Horde.
That’s just the Horde being Horde. Its never going to change.
Agreed the Horde should constantly be the evil factor.
Alliance should always be the power that bind together to stop the evil threat.
Problem is Blizzard does not allow the Alliance to proactively stop them.
Horde should be the unstoppable spear and the Alliance the unstoppable shield.
Horde tries something. Alliance fends them off.
We go back to the status quo.
Wait a moment here. You just said that cultural differences are a weakness. Yet, you want Freedom and how one chooses to exist to be the unifying factor?
That contradicts what you said in the first line. If you want people to have complete freedom in the Horde, then they are going to choose how they live, particularly when it comes to culture. Yet, you call it one of the Horde’s biggest weaknesses.
You can have cultural difference and differences of opinion and still have positive relations - trade, military, etc. - and still be unified and strong.
You understand that this video game is about conflict, right?
There is never going to be an extended period of peace. The Warchief system you’ve described will be immediately invalidated by the simple fact that there is always a threat.
Currently our cultural differences are a weakness, it is absolute chaos. The bigger we get the more chaotic and unstable the Horde gets. I want to change the Horde to make it so our differences aren’t a weakness. I want to limit the powers of the Warchief so that the people only worry about the merit of the Warchief and not who or what they are.
This is about kneecapping the power of the Warchief. We have been the “threat” too many times at this point. If we do not limit or remove the role of Warchief I think it would be best if the Horde dismantled.
The Horde.
Thats what they are. A horde of soldiers and settlers in pursuit of one goal which is usually conquest.
The Alliance on the other hand are the settled and they bind together to stop the invaders. What you described up there is the core identity of what it means to be Alliance.
That’s why the FOR THE HORDE! was a popular chant because that was their one homogeneous identity.
The Alliance players identified much more strongly with their individuals races than they ever did with the Alliance.
The Horde has to change or fall apart. Garrosh and Sylvanas have proven that this government doesn’t work. If the Horde doesn’t evolve the Alliance will be the ones paying the biggest price each time.
No they haven’t. We could’ve had a senate, or whatever and if Blizzard wanted this story line to play out, it would’ve played out. Warchief is fine, learn to play.
::He would look at his fifteen years of experience with the Horde.::
::He would look at your zero.::
Its night elf land. Obviously the Horde did. https://wowwiki.fandom.com/wiki/Warsong_Gulch
Putris belong to the Horde. He was their responsibility.
Horde attacked Alliance forces in Icecrown.
Before the Storm book
This idea that the Horde is this bastion of honor protecting those who are hunted in pursuit of peace only fighting when they are denied this peace is laughably inaccurate.
Thrall left the horde because he couldn’t steer them away from wanting to be conquerors. That’s why he put Garrosh in charge so he is probably not the best example even though he should be.
Remember that from what we have been told Sylvanas has the support of the populace, and this is after she burnt down night elf town. The Horde likes it’s war.
I also do think the Horde should change. There were structural issues with its composition FAR beyond the Forsaken that needed to be addressed for a truly cohesive organization to manifest. The WC3 Racial Clique (Honor Horde) was one … as it was very exclusionary to the later additions. The Bilgewater and Forsaken’s leaders merely using the Faction for PERSONAL gain (not even necessarily for the gains of their own peoples) was another. The balance between the various races in terms of political clout being a third. The OVERWHELMING authority of the Warchief being last.
The Horde ARs are the path to handling two of these factors. Thus far, EVERY one of ARs conceptually enhances the racial fantasies of their core races; while differentiating them further (giving them all individually more authority within the Horde, while breaking up with the WC3 races a bit). If there are more to come, one for the Goblins, one for the Forsaken … I expect them to follow this theme. I also want (unambiguously) Horde leaders (for ALL its races) that have a vested interest in their people (as people). Gallywix has never been a leader who has such a vested interest; Sylvanas’ relationship with her Forsaken has always been deliberately ambiguous.
Get these things … create a more balanced foundation between the races that comprise the faction … leaders that are invested (again unambiguously) in the future of their people (as people) … and we might be in good shape for the future.
