I am surprised that Dark Ranger is getting reworked first

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BM is the ST spec for hunters. And again, read the knowledge others have posted. You will see its not a nerf. Also imo i believe its bad design to have specs that have great AoE and ST.

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I did not get that memo. Bm is now single target only? Man, I could have swore multishot, beast cleave and stomp have been around a while. I even remember an entire stampede. How could I have been so ignorant
 I did not know those were all designed for a single target class. I am such a buffoon. Imagine all this time I thought it said multiple targets in the tooltip.

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BM is a whole SPEC and needs to be properly balanced.

People are saying that the “NERFs plus BUFFs” are even out, therefore the NERFs are not “NERFs” considering the big picture. I get that


But what I’m saying is that BM Hunter, the bottom spec right now, should not be getting any NERFs at all, and that NERFs even out BUFFs is not enough for a late NOVEMBER patch. The class needs BUFFs right now.

Can you understand that, tho?

Stockholm Syndrome


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Strange that a lot of the flavor you’d expect with “Pack Leader” is somehow already present in the BM tree. You have various talents and abilities for summoning additional pets
 Animal Companion almost seems like it should be a capstone again, and far more powerful as a result
 Dire Beast is probably in a good spot
 Huntmaster Call and Dire Command and Call of the Wild all go heavy on the “pack” aspect.

Not sure how Pack Leader could make that more visually interesting or flavorful but it definitely needs work.

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They could’ve probably had an easier time if the hero talents were tied to one spec. I’m sure everyone has a lot of ideas for what BM could have but then you’d have to tie it into Survival or MM.

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it will be perfect if they tie dark ranger to MM/SV

there is no meaning BM about dark ranger. they could be pack leader and sentinel.

But SV ( melee dual wielding dark rangers at hillsbrad or sylvanas ) is closer to Dark Ranger instead of Sentinel.

also give Dual wielding to SV Hunters

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Bro just stop you have no idea what you are talking about - Basilisk Collar is the entire reason the problem exists in the first place.

Let me break this down for you in a way even a child could understand:

  • Basilisk Collar contributes a huge amount to ST.
  • Buffing abilities to increase AoE will also result in massive buffs to ST as well making it do way too much damage because of Basilisk Collar.
  • There is currently no way to fix AoE that doesn’t result in broken ST because everything is linked via Basilisk Collar.

Now that we have established that even Stevie Wonder can see that the only way to fix this problem is to do something about Basilisk Collar.

So:

  • Step 1 - Nerf Basilisk collar.

CALM DOWN AND BREATHE OK YOU WILL BE OK THERE ARE OTHER STEPS. Now that Basilisk collar is nerfed, we can buff AoE without breaking single target damage.

  • Step 2 - Buff talents resulting in higher overall AoE than we have currently. Yes, as confusing as this concept seems to be you if you Nerf 1 thing and then buff other stuff by more than the nerf, its still an overall buff. This will also buff ST a little.

  • Step 3 - Apply buffs/changes to other abilities to restore the lost ST from the Basilisk Collar nerf. <---- This means that it cancels out the nerf you are losing your mind over.

  • Step 4 - Have a childs grasp of maths and understand that you will be doing about the same ST as now, which is fine as nothing is wrong with BM ST damage BUT you will now be doing significantly more AoE as well.

So to make sure you understand:

  • You want - More AoE damage without ruining ST damage because a class should be able to do both.
  • These changes - More AoE damage without ruining ST damage because a class should be able to do both.

See how “What you want” and “What you are getting” is exactly the same thing? Right. Now stop complaining they are literally fixing the problems youre upset about - you dont have to understand them for that to be true but itd be great if you stopped whining about not getting something youre literally getting.

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Have giant spirit beasts appear and do stuff would be one thing - Blue glowy Ursoc spirit shows up or Rezan spirit etc where you invoke the spirits of powerful beasts of Azeroth legend.

Have something summon in some eagles that swoop down and claw at the enemy of a flock of falcons fly overhead and dive bomb in one after the other like a volley of birds AoEing an area.

Have an AoE stun that stampedes a bunch of elekks or something through the mobs.

Have a knockback like bursting shot but a Rhino slams into them and sends them flying.

Have a bunch of cobras appear and spit venom at everything around them dot’ing up mobs for nature damage.

Have something summon raptors to apply a bleed.

Basically have a bunch of things calling animals from every direction to overwhelm the opponents.

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I thought with Pack Leader they should’ve done something like Unholy/Blood San’layn tree and having an empowered KC or MB/RS with a stacking buff. Coordinated Assault on the capstone could’ve given double benefits like San’layn.

**VH and PC would give double benefits. I don’t play much BM so I had to look up the talent names.

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Never said it was ST only. Its AoE is bad but its ST is good. Therefore, lots of hunters view BM as the ST spec. Stamped is no longer here so it has zero value in the discussion.

So overall, yes BM is the ST spec for hunters. I will say, I do get a good laugh out of the keyboard warrior response.

Back on topic. I feel they chose to rework dark ranger due to the popularity of it. So it gives more players what they want which is a good thing, over reworking pack leader or sent.

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Great
so what do you think about why blizz chose to rework dark ranger over the other two?

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Other than 1 fool on the forums, no one refers to bm as single target. The devs just made it that way this expansion. You can call me whatever you like, but beast has never been single target. As a matter of fact they had to nerf hunters so many times for AOE it isn’t funny.

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I’ve said it over and over again—the problem is that we’re waiting until NOVEMBER for a NERF that will supposedly pave the way for even more future fixes, while BM Hunters are sitting at bottom-tier and our AoE damage is still a joke. The fact that you can read what I’m saying and somehow conclude that I “don’t understand the Basilisk problem” is honestly beyond me. You talk about child understanding things, but your reading comprehension is what’s really laughable here.

Maybe you should stop being so blindly loyal to Blizzard, because even a dog knows when enough is enough after being beaten too many times. You seem completely incapable of accepting any valid criticism toward Blizzard’s TERRIBLE BALANCING decisions. It’s not like the BETA TEST happened for MONTHS and they already knew the sorry state of BM Hunter’s AoE before launch, right?

But sure, I’m the one “whining,” while BM AoE has been so bad since release that people in this very thread have taken to calling BM the “single-target spec.” It’s embarrassing that a spec has been this neglected, and somehow you think we should just be grateful for a NERF that will come in NOVEMBER that will allow for FUTURE fixes.

The reality is, you’re just a fanboy who can’t accept legitimate criticism or face the obvious truth: Blizzard’s so-called “fixes” for BM AoE are too little, too late. Waiting until NOVEMBER for a NERF that will eventually allow for FUTURE fixes isn’t reasonable, and pretending that it is only shows how disconnected you are from the real issue.

The bottom line is this: BM Hunter has been trash for AoE since launch, and that’s not something we should sit quietly and accept while we’re stuck at the bottom tier for months. If you can’t see that, you’re part of the problem.

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Who is the other “fool” and yeah we are talking about the current state of BM. What it has been in the past is irrelevant. The devs making the spec good at ST this expansion is obvious.

They make the specs whatever they want, I dont get the point youre trying to make. And come on my man your first reply to me was childish and the typical internet tuff guy response.

Back on topic
again
i standby what i said earlier about why they chose to make changes to dark ranger over PL and sent

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Good god man you are denser than a neutron star. This HAS to be a troll there is no way this is real.

The waiting until november part is the ONLY part of that which is accurate and yes I agree its an issue.

The NERF in November will pave the way for fixes coming at the exact same time in the exact same patch. Its LITERALLY written right there in the patch notes. Its like you read the Basilisk Collar nerf part and then immediately stopped reading all further information and came here to embarass yourself repeatedly.

Go read the god forsaken patch notes - here is all the other stuff coming in literally the same patch as the basilisk collar nerf:

Beast Mastery

  • New Talent: Snakeskin Quiver – Your auto shot has a 15% chance to also fire a Cobra Shot.

  • New Talent: Serpentine Rhythm – Casting Cobra Shot increases its damage by 15%, stacking up to 6 times. Upon reaching 6 stacks, the bonus is removed, and you gain 8% increased pet damage for 10 seconds.

  • New Talent: Barbed Scales – Casting Cobra Shot reduces the cooldown of Barbed Shot by 2 seconds.

  • Cobra Senses has been redesigned – Now reduces the Focus cost of Cobra Shot by 5 and increases its damage by 35%.

  • Hunter’s Prey has been redesigned – Kill Shot will strike 1 additional target and deal 10% increased damage for each of your active pets. Stacks up to 5 times.

  • Barbed Shot damage increased by 100%.

  • Barbed Shot cooldown increased to 18 seconds (was 12 seconds) and duration increased to 12 seconds (was 8 seconds).

  • Barbed Shot’s pet frenzy duration increased to 12 seconds (was 8 seconds).

  • Thrill of the Hunt duration increased to 12 seconds (was 8 seconds).

  • Pack Tactics energy regeneration increased to 125% (was 100%). Pack Tactics now replaces Steady Shot.

  • Animal Companion no longer reduces the damage of all your pets by 35%.

  • The following pet ability damage has been reduced by 35%:
    Stomp
    Kill Command
    Bloodshed
    Claw
    Bite
    Smack

  • The following talents have been removed:
    Kindred Spirits
    Improved Kill Command
    Frenzy’s Personal Resource Display aura has had its duration corrected.

Dark Ranger

  • Withering Fire stacking aura duration increased to 3 minutes (was 1 minute).
  • Withering Fire now requires 3 casts of Bestial Wrath to trigger (was 4).
  • Bleak Powder damage increased by 100%.
  • Shadow Hounds now have Beast Cleave for their duration.
  • Bleak Arrows chance to trigger Deathblow increased to 20% (was 15%).

“iTs A nErF tO mAkE wAy FoRm fUtUrE fIxEs” no its a nerf to ONE talent as a part of what is just short of an entire overhaul of the spec. Its literally right there pinned to the top of the PTR forum, you can LITERALLY log on to the PTR and see for yourself.

Maybe you stop being such an attention seeking edgelord whos made hating Blizzard their entire personality and, I dont know, actually read the damn notes? Yes there is plenty of ACTUAL things to criticise Blizzard for - the balancing being bad in the first place, the ignoring the PTR feedback, the making us wait until November - nobody is disagreeing with that or debating that, the entire Hunter community almost universally agrees on this.

But thats NOT whats being discussed - instead of the actual valid criticisms you just straight up invented some random nonsense thats not actualy happen because youve gaslit yourself into some made up scenario in your head thats not actually happening in real life. THAT is what I am talking about.

Stop posting nonsense. Go read the PTR forums. Go log on to the PTR forums and ACTUALLY test them for yourself.

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Makes sense
 but I do wonder why they can’t handle dark ranger AND pack leader haha. At times it feels Blizz really does the bare minimum.

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I would just be quiet. BM lost a WHOPPING 150% pet damage resolution with 5 dots, which scales off EVERY stat. Nothing among the November fixes is going to beat that. We should talk to your last math teacher about how bad you’ve gotten.

The spec should have never gotten nerfed before launch. Now it’s going to keep sucking the whole season through, which, as Truewarlord would put it, would advent the way for the actual serious buffs that might not even come anyway.

Oh well. It’s just one season. One terribad season for once in life is not going to self-delete a BM main. SV, the exact opposite, only had one Gucci season two xpacs ago.

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Oh, dear god. Listen up, blessed one—you’re not very bright, are you? What I’m saying (and I don’t know how much clearer I can make this for you—maybe I should paint it in crayon?) is that the NOVEMBER patch, with nerfs like the Basilisk Collar (yes, I’ve mentioned others in multiple threads) will NOT fix BM’s AoE issue. That means we’re going to need even more attention after that patch drops.

How do I know? Because unlike you, I’m not just reading blue posts, I’m actually looking at things on the PTR. Can you please get off your high horse for a second and actually look at what’s happening?

Either you’re not a BM Hunter, or you’re the most clueless one I’ve come across. Why are you defending changes that don’t even benefit you? Stockholm Syndrome much?

That is exactly what I’m criticizing Blizzard for, blessed one. They’ve ignored the PTR feedback in the past and they’re ignoring PTR feedback again, so we’re stuck waiting until November for things that will not be “fixes.”

Yes, you are. Because that’s been my point the whole time.

Wrong again. That is exactly what’s being discussed. It’s just that you apparently can’t comprehend basic English, or you’re intentionally twisting the discussion to fit whatever narrative you’ve built in your head.

I have, and you clearly haven’t. Maybe you should stop pretending to care about BM Hunters since you don’t play the spec, don’t test on the PTR, and clearly have no idea what you’re talking about.

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Really missed opportunity to not have hero specs skinned based on race.

Like trolls could be a bat that drops firebombs like in WC3.

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This expansion they are referred to as the ST spec by every person I play with. It’s not just one guy on the forums. And yes, it’s the exact reason you stated.

This happens with ‘most’ triple-dps classes where there damage has to fulfill a specific need, otherwise they are not played in any content that requires you to turn your monitor on.

You want big ST raid damage, go BM, you want burst AoE damage in keys or add phases, go MM
you want to be an abomination, go sUrViVaL.

It’s always been designed this way, you are correct in stating that BM has had far greater aoe in the past, but your reply to that person seems awfully disingenuous by not understanding that they meant currently, this is how bm is viewed.

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