I am a Pally Tank! Not a Rogue!

[Delvarrieth-feathermoon (Delvarrieth)]

@Vaerume-sargeras

Here’s a simple situation. In KR the mini-boss mob before the final boss does pure magic damage. Old paladin could heal every 12-15 seconds with HoTP (not counting ineff). New paladin can heal every 3 gcd’s virtually. Where’s the constraint?

Okay, keep rubbing salt in the wound, why don’t you? Keep bringing up more reasons modern paladin feels worse than it used to. Remember when our defensive ability protected against magic damage? Remember when our healing was off-GCD? I remember. And when you say “old paladin” why are you only specifically comparing with BfA? We can go back a lot farther than that and find stuff like judging with Seal of Light for healing that was baked into our damage abilities. There were some times in the past when prot felt pretty great, but BfA wasn’t one of them.

Anyway, congrats. You found the one niche case where our two spenders don’t compete with each other because SotR is literally useless in that one encounter, despite it being essential in every other encounter. And maybe I can’t speak for every paladin, but my favorite thing about the class is when my defenses are keeping me safe so I don’t need to heal, and I can throw that resource around the raid to patch up other members who get low. Being able to use both abilities at the same time is a good thing.

[Vaerume-sargeras (Vaerume)]

Anytime you’re kiting mobs it’s the same situation. Anytime you aren’t actively taking physical damage its better, and if you are, it breaks even. I’m not arguing whether its funner or not, but whether it’s more constrained, which is most certainly isn’t when compared to BFA paladin.

[Delvarrieth-feathermoon (Delvarrieth)]

It is more constrained when you’re spending HP on SotR. It is more constrained when you have no target to hit and aren’t generating HP.

[Vaerume-sargeras (Vaerume)]

If you have 0 targets to hit, you have 0 targets to judgement either, which means at best you only get a heal once every 12-15 seconds from being unable to accelerate HoTP. Since banking ShoR is pretty useless for anything but snap aggro, not being able to have them saved doesn’t really mean much.
Or, you can have up to judgement and AS generating HP, which means in a situation with nothing in melee range (kiting) you can still WoG as often as you could otherwise. not even counting blessed hammer and double judgement talents taken.