I mean…. What did you expect them to say?
No I said California was number 1 in 2020… you failed to disprove that.
I proved you tried to twist the facts and day “but per capita is what matters!!” And I again said according to YOUR link that they were ranked number 4 out of 50… from 1989 to 2019. Of course you then made a poor attempt as discrediting the facts. By saying “California is in the middle of the pack.” Then edited your response because you were wrong. Want to they again? I swear the woke crowd doesnt think before they speak.
She has only been working for Blizzard for FOUR MONTHS, and ONLY FROM HOME. She doesn’t get to speak about what women in the office experienced.
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A person who has been working at Actiblizz for four months has absolutely no right to make statements that deny the realities of the culture of a company that stretches back over a decade.
I hear all sides too, and people like Brack and Morhaime have already acknowledged the legitimacy of these complaints.
So… what’s this thread telling us to do, again?
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I’m sure there were weekends and things, but just because they probably like…went home at some point, doesn’t mean that the investigation was probably shallow and didn’t really cover anything, which is what you keep insisting.
I did “seen” all the boxes, yes. I actually spent some time with the DFEH website at some length last night informing myself about the process, though, because I was curious about how this works. Did you see that they have a FAQ, and several links to other pages? I did! And went through a lot of them. It’s really pretty interesting if you’re interested, but if we’re just going to start making assumptions about people’s motives, I assume that you’re not, really.
Unfortunately Blizzard has turned down mediation and settlement, so now it’s going to court. But we wouldn’t be here if there wasn’t ample evidence, because the DFEH isn’t a rando lawyer chasing an ambulance. All those “four or five boxes” describe points at which a case has to pass several internal hurdles at the department where the evidence is adjudicated before we get to the point that it’s at now, going to an actual court.
Ultimately, it doesn’t matter what either of us believes in terms of if the case has merit. But just because a judge hasn’t ruled yet doesn’t mean that either of us is barred from forming an opinion based on the available evidence so far.
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I have a difficult time understanding you classifying “social activist” as an “oxymoron”.
Would not every thing an activist does involve some sort of social interaction? To qualify as an oxymoron the two words in the phrase need to be contradictory… like “military intelligence” (a funny) or “pretty ugly” (a favorite) or “jumbo shrimp”.
Or is this a political thing? In that case I understand what you’re trying to do.
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But you’re wrong though lol reports I’ve seen from a PBS affiliate and Fox Detroit lists Illinois as the state with the most, followed by Michigan, in 2020. I can’t link stuff here, but you can still direct me to a source by naming where you got yours from so I can look it up myself.
California is the most populous state, 38 million, 10 million over the second most populous state of Texas. If every state had the exact same rate, California would be the highest simply because of its population. The only reason you would be stressing the total numbers over the much more applicable per capita numbers would be to push an agenda.
And, again, even if we did go by the total numbers, and even if we only look at 2020, you’re still wrong lmao
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Yes, they did. You’re point? Because the first time you said the people playing were paying.
I am neither playing nor paying.
Also, I wanted to let you know that I know how to use lmao as a tactic to dismiss arguments
lmao
Dude’s right though. If you’re not using per capita statistics that’s basically lying by omission. You can’t just ignore the context of statistics when it’s convenient to you. That’s JUST lying.
Are you seriously saying California cares about anything other then destroying California? And joining the CCP as top leaders?
You paid with extra steps. But if it makes you feel better you can keep telling yourself that. lmao
YEP Discovery
Bingo. She’s a professional controller of the narrative. Her work history is in highly sensitive areas of government at the highest levels. She’s not even remotely political. She’s worked for presidential administrations on both sides of the aisle doing the same job for both.
She’s a cleaner. And trust me, the red herring of, “OMG SHE’S A GOP OPERATIVE” would be hysterical if it weren’t so tired and stupid.
Where did I say it was shallow and didnt really cover anything? You think length means extensive or shallow. Longer the investigation means the better, or the shorter means worse.
What im saying is length does not equal quality but you guys have so much trouble grasping innocent until proven guilty that no wonder you get confused with some of the most simple things.
No, the investigation did not take 2 years to do. And I dont mean them going home or taking the weekends or taking the holidays off. What are their billing hours is what you are realistically wanting to look at. That tells you how long they worked on it. Just because it takes a court case years to end, does not mean that the lawyers are spending all that time on that one case. Its some back and forth, some filings and most of it is just waiting around.
I dont care how long you spent on the DFEH website, it doesnt matter if you didnt understand any of it.
I think the allegations are true but…
Why are people surprised by them? This is the same company that suspended someone for pro-HK stuff and has employees who insult their players (Lore, dude who insulted Asmonbald).
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Ironically, you’re the biggest sheep of them all.
"newly hired Activision Blizzard executive Fran Townsend". Wow, I didn’t even have to read the article to know it is going to be bad. She wasn’t even working for the company when these incidents happened. WTF, great evidence lmao.
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You are correct that it’s possible to take two years on an investigation that doesn’t really do anything.
What, in everything that has been released, makes you think that that’s the case here? Because I’ll lay out the reasons why I think that the investigation (regardless of how many actual billable hours were spent on it?) was thorough:
- Blizzard has said, themselves, that they fully cooperated with the investigation and gave the investigators access to “ample” internal documentation
- The fifty-page document that lays out the allegations describes multiple situations, of multiple different types, happening to multiple different people, in thorough detail
- The fifty page document also lays out trends and statistics that the DFEH wouldn’t have unless they were able to go through and run the numbers on all of Blizzard’s internal HR documents
- A lot of current and former Blizzard employees have been speaking out, non-anonymously, to corroborate and confirm the stories in the filing, and about the internal culture that lead to those situations
- Everything that I’ve heard in the filing and from subsequent stories tracks and makes sense to me, and matches with the limited experiences that I was previously aware of, nothing about it seems impossible or implausible
- The DFEH, a state regulatory body bound by the rules and laws of the state of California as well as federal rules and laws, has multiple checkpoints that need to be passed before a case can actually get to court. They have to have jurisdiction. They have to complete an investigation. The investigation has to provide enough evidence that a violation happened to move forward with a complaint (just a violation, and the DFEH’s filing found many in this case). They have to offer mediation to settle out of court. And only then can they actually file a court case, where all of the evidence will be presented to a judge. That we have gotten to this step suggests that the evidence that they have is both compelling and voluminous.
You guys who keep trotting out the “innocent until proven guilty” line like it’s the be-all, end all, the kind of people who say that their “freedom of speech” is infringed by being censored on a private company’s forum or that your “hippa rights” are being violated because someone asks you if you’re vaccinated before they let you in their bar, lack a fundamental understanding that people are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law legally. I have no power to impose fines or legal penalties on Blizzard, I am not officially judging them in any way. I am forming a opinion about the merits of the case against them based on the evidence available to me that is not binding or legally penalizing them in any way, which is fully within my rights to do.
What “innocent until proven guilty” does not mean is that everyone has to pretend that they have no layperson’s opinion about a case until a verdict comes down from the court, then the legal decision magically flips a switch that conjures the evidence and reality of the case into existence, right at that moment. That’s nonsense.
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Ah yeah, the government has never brought a case against someone and lost! Good point.
Please quote me as saying that rather than put words in my mouth.