To be honest I must have done the quest since I have them unlocked. I kind of boringly sped through all the race unlocks.
Well ok then why couldn’t we get back there? Did everyone trash their garrison hearthstone?
We’ve had Kara and we’ve had Return to Kara…
why have we never had the evil upside-down version of Kara? It’s kind of a bummer that we’re unlikely to get that since we already had the “walking on the ceiling” gimmick in Legion Upper Kara.
Oh well I guess.
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I dunno, magic reasons. Ask a bronze dragon.
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I don’t know. Our Nagrand and Netherstorm sure are pretty
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WoD has its own Nagrand, with beaches, and their Shadowmoon is much better.
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Shadowmoon with a raid to get warglaives > shadowmoon with abandoned karabor city
Idk. The book about the MoP trial was pretty fantastic, imo. Especially on Audible. The lady reading it out loud killed it.
Run the Mag’har AR scenario.
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AFAIK we’ll probably never hear it because if what I heard is true, that AU is doomed to die. I don’t remember where I heard it though.
And I am not likely to listen to what some fanatical Draenei has to say. I’d sooner rip their heads off and shove it on to a pike then listen to their flimsy excuses!
(OK, there I go Roleplaying again)
It’s in the mag’har orc unlock scenario.
It went like this. After we left, the orcs and draenei got along fantastically eradicating the legion remnants for a few years, things were good and they had an enemy in common.
After the legion was gone, however, the Naaru had the Draenei start pushing their doctrine of light onto the other races of Draenor. The orcs were not interested. The Naaru were unsatisfied with this and encouraged the Draenei to convert by force if necessary. It was all for the greater good, you see, they needed to build the ranks of the golden army for reasons.
In the years that followed, Draenor started to die, it was losing the ability to support life. The Draenei blamed this on the Orcs, for not having enough faith in the light. The Orcs blamed the Draenei, claiming the unchecked light was choking out life on the planet. Some say that the timeline itself was starting to fall apart, and that’s what was causing the planet to die.
In any case, the horde player arrives back on Draenor in Gorgrond 50 years after we left (With a bronze dragon in tow, he felt bad about leaving Draenor like that and wanted to check in). Durotan is dead, Hellscream is an old man, and Draka may yet be alive holding a base in Nagrand.
When you arrive you find that all clans have unified against the Draenei and their light, and they ask for your assistance dealing with some Ogres while you wait for Grommash to return. Also you meet female Thrall, Draka and Durotan’s daughter Geya’rah.
Turns out the Ogres cast their lot with the Draenei, and when you get back you find that the Draenei were marching on what was possibly the last orc holdout left on Draenor, spearheaded by Yrel, whos sermon you can find laying on the ground somewhere which describes a bunch of the preamble i gave.
The orcs cannot possibly fend off this attack, their numbers are too low, they have a bunch of conscripted lightbound orcs bolstering their numbers. So Hellscream tells you he’s gonna keep Yrel busy long enough for you and your bronze dragon friend to get everybody to safety. You do, and all arrive safely in Durotar, minus one Grommash Hellscream. Also Grom’s son was a lightbound too, and that was sad.
Geya’rah now leads the Mag’har orcs, and whenever her and Thrall are in the same room they just awkwardly nod at eachother. Also you happened to bring back some Botani and Saberon with you who bolted as soon as you arrived so that could be fun later.
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The Naaru keep seeming like the bad guys honestly.
The writing would be a lot better if it abandoned the idea of “bad guys”, honestly. Characters can be dynamic, interesting, deep, without resorting to one dimensional good or bad tropes.
That is very important, The jailor this expansion felt like a bad guy. But not even the comically evil bad guy.
Villians need good motives, Like Lei Sheng the Thunder King, he’s evil because he’s rebuilding his empire by enslaving the races of pandaria, thats pretty dang evil, but there is depth and purpose to his actions.
Or how with Varian he very much hated and distrusted the hoard, but eventually due to Andui he began to see that the horde might not be as bad as he thought. And then he died.
Or the naga queen lady, she’s got an empire to rule and she will manipulate a GOD to keep herself as queen.
Like those characters had DEPTH to them, and thats what makes some good characters
This will likely be the context of the eventual light vs void expansion. AU Draenor was the most recent foreshadowing (at least the blatant one) that light <> good just like the void <> straight bad. We also can see other instances of the light and the zealous nature of it.
It’s entirely plausible Azeroth will be the fighting grounds for an epic light vs void showndown and the light is just as content to convert or blow us up as the void will be to consume us.
Plus, modern games have also touched on this too. FFXIV, the number 1 MMO on the market, actually just got done with a near-perfect expansion of this exact concept. Even Nintendo played a major role in it with SSMB Ultimate (the campaign). I’m blanking too but I know I had a 3rd game I thought of that also did it but it escapes me atm. Point being is WoW had foreshadowed plenty hard that light vs void is coming and we know largely from the scarlet folks and AU Draenor (plus stuff in books) that while the void is generally not good for us…it isn’t like the light is some benevolent savior either.
THE LIGHT WILL MAKE YOU WHOLE! THE LIGHT WILL HEAL YOUR SCARS
yeah for some reason trying to change someone when they are telling you NO is usually a case that they aren’t necessarily good.
And we get some examples of good Naaru with the Revendreth dungeon where you rescue one, and they seem to be helpful and not evil.
OR they are there because they were REALLY evil
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Yes exactly. It’s very plausible that the void is going to attack us just for the light to come “save us”…but it’s version of saving us is basically going to be “yeah we’re gonna nuke you all and call you saved…if you were good light-worshipping folks you’d know this is for your own good and your soul will be in a better place with us anyway…and if you aren’t good light worshipping folk…well you’re just evil and need destroyed anyway”.
I mean… (readies light based nuke)
I believe this was the plot of one of the raids in Lich King. Just it was titans going to reorignate Azeroth to destroy the Old gods that were on it.
Honestly I’d love an expansion that is Light VS Void, but we don’t take a side, because both sides want to just kill us, or rather kill the other and we will just be causalities, so we fight them both and try and siphon power from both sources to be able to fight them better.
I still choose to believe that the mag’har orcs are unreliable narrators.
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During the time between we left AU Draenor and Yrel going all light crazy the Draenei and Orcs lived in peace in fact at the end of the Mag’har quest Yrel refers to Grommash Hellscream as old friend .
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