I’d rather the Horde lose if

Well for starters, a character that wasn’t JUST introduced to us within the last 2 expansions.

Like, Thalysra? Ok, I can give her a pass. She’s a solid character who brings alot to the table. But Mayla, Geya’rah, Talanji, Calia?! I mean srsly, that’s basically half the Horde leadership rn, and Calia is barely even a Horde character. There’s still absolutely no reason for her to be even remotely involved in Horde politics considering her only claim to being Forsaken is incredibly lose and frankly no longer viable.

And the legacy characters we still do have took WAY too long for Blizzard to get cracking on. I mean for a guy known as the “Champion of the Horde”, Rexxar has been largely absent from a vast majority of Horde conflicts which could’ve used his skills. Same with Rokhan.

So now we just got an HORRIFICALLY underdeveloped cast of characters who I’ve so little investment in either from being too new or too underutilized.

Yeah, I am going to have to agree with this. Rokhan really doesn’t feel like htey ever really developed him properly. He is just a recognizable name from WC3 who had a total of 3 lines in that game. He is an old Shadow Hunter who is fine as a background character but not really someone you want as a front liner without more work. Mayla was nice and all but hardly particularly impressive and spent most of her time in BfA swooning over Baine or regretting her choice to be in the Horde. Geya’rah is hardly developed past being an angry young orc. Talanji is a bit better but honestly feels like she needs more fleshing out and still doesn’t have much of a dynamic with the rest of the Horde leadership. Calia is a joke and Voss doesn’t feel like she makes sense in a leadership role at all, particularly since they pretty much had to retcon her into caring about the Forsaken at the start of BfA and I still find that jarring.

Really the only I would likely give anything like a pass to at this point is Thalyssra, Lorthemar, Thrall (though he has been something of a has been lately), and maybe Talanji. Worse, the Horde leadership as a whole feels like a bunch of random strangers forced into a room together, half of which don’t seem sure they want to be there. I get no sense of a collective group of allies with relationships for the most part. Makes it hard to give a crap about the Horde when the Horde leadership don’t even seem fully convinced why they are their and whether the people they are actually talking to are friends/allies.

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If Kiro gets to be on the Council, we should also have reps for Taunka, Hozen, Unshackled and Ogres now.

And San’layn, Mok’nathal and Black Dragonflight in the future.

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Pretty sure the San’layn and the Black Dragonflight aren’t part of the Horde. The San’layn seemed to be looking to join but it doesn’t sound like it really came to fruition, particularly after the Alliance killed their leaders. The Black Dragonflight consists of two people.

Imo, she’s always going to be hurt by the fact that this is what we get, when for years, troll fans and myself have been clamoring to meet the great and mighty king Rastakhan. Only for when we finally get to him, he’s pretty great(and actually a rare highlight of the expansion) and then he gets killed off in the first patch and we’re just supposed to suddenly hold Talanji in the same regard?

This is the equivalent of someone winning the lottery only for the person delivering the check to burn it right in front of the winner, and then pay them 5$ to compensate the price of the ticket and this is a sin that cannot ever bring myself to forgive them for, and by extension, ever really learn to like Talanji. Because she’ll always be a permanent reminder that we could’ve just gotten Rastakhan, the character with over 15 years worth of anticipation built for his in-game debut, instead of this new character no one wanted nor asked for.

I mean, EXACTLY! Aside from like, maybe Thally, more than half of these characters have never interacted with eachother before. I don’t think Mayla has actually met a single other Horde leader aside from Baine.

Hence “in the future”.

Not if you include Drakonids and other dragonkin.

That’s why all Horde Council meetings should be feasts. Sitting around a big table, atguing over dinner. Really, play up that “family” angle.