Do you honestly believe that being a melee dps for half a second once every 10 seconds is going to get you killed? Do you believe that rogues are not allowed to even exist in raids?
In theory weaving even with Rhok is better dps than barb blade or cht/bb right now, although in practice it seems to be about the same or slightly worse because of the incredibly strict timing. Once you get Ashjre you have an extra .5 seconds to work with which makes the timing way easier and weaving will become clearly the best option when possible.
I still would suggest giving Ashkandi to warriors first since in pvp it matters a lot more (and horde pve), but ret paladins absolutely should never be higher prio than hunter.
Period.
There is no viable raid spec that we use that supports this kind of behavior.
Imp aspect of the hawk and the points spent in bm do far more dps than this imaginary âmelee weavingâ nonsense that people who donât play hunters are spouting off about.
Id say you play alliance. Ever raided as horde? Imo a good horde warrior is a warrior that knows to watch his threat meanwhile pumping numbers. 2h fury with wf + hoj procs simultaneously sometimes and you can get clapped so fast.
Alliance is sooooo easy with blessing.
Once you get ashjreâthul, you can weave on every boss in molten core except rag, and most bosses in bwl for a substantial dps increase. Tell me how weaving on Ebonroc or Flamegore for a 100+ dps increase will A, get you killed, B get you killed, or C waste healers mana?
You are going to suffer a dps loss using melee. Period. End of discussion.
There is no dps loss. You melee during the 3.4 second window where you canât do anything, adding the melee damage FOR FREE.
When both aimed shot and multishot are on cd, and you just shot, you have 3.4 seconds to run in, auto, raptor and get back, which is possible with the chromag xbow slow attack speed
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Yes there is, and no you donât. I 100% guarantee you I will smoke any hunter that attempts to do this.
The amount of shots you are going to miss trying to do that is absurd.
There seem to be these wierd hoops people want hunters to jump through in order to âbe a good hunter.â
Yes hunter prio, all DPS wars minus one should be dual wielding 1h fury, one warrior can be 2h but would be using nightfall.
ya, if you clip your autoattack you are screwed. And this isnt for people trying to be a good hunter. This is for already good hunters trying to autistically min max squeeze out as much dps as possible. On private servers there would typically only be a handful of hunters even attempting this. (partially due to 150 ms private server ping)
Again. This is for people to talk about on the forums who have no idea how to play hunter.
There is literally no benefit to attempting this. None. There are a ton of risks associated with it that will most definitely result in lost dps (not to mention when you die bc youâre being a bad melee hunter.)
In a perfect scenario, weaving is 15-20% more damage. Most hunters arenât perfect and canât even keep their pet out of fire. More realistically itâs closer to 10% for a good hunter and a slight dps loss for a below average hunter.
But Warriors shouldnât be using two-handers either.
IMO, itâs a soft priority for a dedicated 2-hander warrior who has yet to get BRE. For PvP, itâs equal priority for Hunters and Warriors.
Iâve literally just pointed out the benefit. Auto attack and raptor strike for free. Potential downside is clipping your auto-attack if you arenât perfect. This has been done on private servers for years. I admit this isnât a private server, but it should be possible with all current knowledge. Your only counter argument has been that its difficult, but not impossible.
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Your made up stat is a joke.
Your second statement is fine.
Your last statement is fine.
No, my counter argument is that what you are saying is stupid.
I have pointed to the most glaringly obvious reason already via spec.
The fact that you bring lag into it is also an indicator of how stupid this thought process is. You donât even understand the actual speed on the xbow and how it works on hunters.
You have zero grasp on the class and to attempt to even try and convince someone that something this nuanced is anything but stupidâŚis stupid.
Please tell me why a hunter couldnât run into melee, auto - raptor, and run out with a 3.4s xbow, for any reason other than its difficult. I havenât even mentioned that this makes hunters scale (admittedly still awfully) with melee dm buff.
Because you will clip your autos because it isnât possible, hit boxes change, mechanics change, procs change, buffs changeâŚ
Iâm done with this. You go roll a hunter. Do what you are advocating here. Come back and tell me how bad your bad idea was.
What mechanic that moves the hit box or boss exists for Ebonrock/Flamegore? They are literally called the loot pinatas. On patchwork the boss stands perfectly still for 4 minutes. Mechanics on many bosses donât cause them to move an inch. I admit you wonât melee weave on Skeram, Sartura, or Bug Trio, but its doable for P2 cthun when the shield goes down, or Fankriss and Huhuran.
Now weâre down the nuts and bolts of it.
You are attempting to sell me on believing that âmelee weavingâ is more viable than actually equipping BiS melee weapons (for stats. That is the only thing melee weapons are for on hunters) on a couple fights specifically, all while attempting to pretend that you actually know anything about my class (which I play better than you play yours.)
The ROI for what you are talking about just isnât there. I get it. Theorycrafting is fun. However, it isnât even remotely viable. Good luck with your hunter, if you ever roll one. Clearly youâd be a G R E A T one.
Hpalas can weave too should give it to them
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Many hunters will never try weaving, it usually takes more effort than the dps gain is worth. Denying the existence of weaving wont make it disappear though. The ones doing it are bored with farming the simple boss fights and would not risk it if they were progressing or if the fight was going sour.
People Who Say It Cannot Be Done Should Not Interrupt Those Who Are Doing It
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