How’s it broken??
Stacking haste isn’t an exploit.
Using a macro to start auto shot isn’t an exploit.
Heck even you said they used a 1 button macro back then, the 1 button for hunters also starts with the same auto shot macro.
Literally nothing to exploit.
Y’all just crying to cry.
It isn’t just haste stacking. I’m pretty sure hunters are reporting getting extra auto shots off even at low levels of haste, it just isn’t as obvious.
“Clever use of game mechanics” - Exploiting
“Using a glitch in game for some purpose” - Glitching
Whenever you abuse pathing, like in Zul Furrak, that’s an exploit, not a glitch.
It’s not a failure of code.
It’s maybe bad design, but the code part of the equation is completely valid.
Is it intended? No. Is it exploitable? Yes.
Then there’s players who use a specific error in how the game deals with moving/jumping up slopes to reach places that can’t normally be reached. That’s called “glitching the terrain”. That’s a glitch, not an exploit.
Is it intended? No. Does it require a glitch to be used? Yes. That’s a glitch.
Using the Overlord+Mutalisk glitch in Starcraft 1 isn’t an exploit. That’s a glitch. It’s intentionally using bad code to operate a script on Mutalisks to make them move in a way that replaces their normal movement code and overwriting it with another unit’s.
Is it intended? Maybe. Does it require a glitch to be used? Yes. That’s a glitch.
Moving Shaman/Warriors around in raid groups so that you can hit them with group buffs isn’t intended by design, but it is possible to exploit it by timing their buffs while moving them around in different groups.
Is it intended? Probably not. Is it exploitable? Yes.
Glitching = using a glitch.
Exploiting = using an exploit.
This isn’t complicated.
Do you have a source on any of this?
This is exactly my point.
This is a bug with how the game is programmed to deal with haste.
This isn’t an exploit. You are not exploiting anything by using Haste and Macros together.
The player is abusing a glitch by using this to gain advantages in game. But, that isn’t an exploit. That’s not what an exploit is.
Who asks this in 2021? What is Google? How do search results work?
What is even is the internet?
You have that exactly the opposite. Only bugs can be exploited
So you have a blizzard source saying that moving shamans around is an exploit?
You have a blue post saying that auto shot macros are an exploit?
these forums are so ridiculous. we can’t even discuss any problems because all people do is drag everything down into semantic arguments.
People are basing the gameplay off of their feelings and how they perceive the game should be.
Without actual sources citing this or that is a bug or exploit it’s all just a guess.
Haste is in the game, it lowers attack speed, shooting is an attack, it makes you attack faster when multiple forms of haste are stacked.
I literally just said “using a macro isn’t an exploit.”
Taking advantage of a glitch is “glitching”.
Taking advantage of normal game mechanics is “exploiting”.
This isn’t a normal game mechanic. Therefore, it’s not an exploit, is a glitch.
The implication (we all know this) is that neither exploits nor glitches are really “intended”. That just goes without saying though.
So stacking haste isn’t intended gameplay mechanic?
I think you’re basing this off of your feelings.
What is the exact point of cool Downs that have haste on them along with consumables that have haste on them?
You’re telling me blizzard put all that haste in the game and didn’t intend for people to stack it?
Your argument is that the definition of “what haste is supposed to do” is relevant but “how the math is supposed to work” is not relevant.
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This forum is ridiculous.
You said silly stuff like this which implies what I said.
You have no data to support your claim, just your feelings.
wtf i hate increased attack speed now nerf haste buff mastery
These mental gymnastics. Holy cow
I know you want to be able to do this on your mage and hunter
but are you listening to yourself? lol
This is people with hunters right now:
“0.2 second autoshots are not broken DAD. It’s not an exploit YOU IDIOT”
This is everyone else:
“Hunters and mages sure are dumb”
Sorry but stacking haste is neither an exploit or a bug.
It’s literally a stat designed to lower your attack speed. You’re all acting surprised that if you stack enough of it you can become a machine gun
I just stumbled onto an exploit where if I stack enough attack power, I starting hitting harder. You’re gonna tell me that’s intended now, too?
When my Mage stacks a flask a weapon oil and spell power food I get all this extra spell power and then when I pop a destruction potion I get even more spell power.
Please fix this exploit
You’re missing the point.
Look, this is exactly why I don’t like wikipedia, but here it is.
Video_game_exploit
In [video games], an exploit is the use of a [bug] or glitches, game system, rates, hit boxes, speed or level design etc. by a player to their advantage in a manner not intended by the [game’s designers]; however, the precise determination of what is or is not considered an exploit can be controversial. This debate stems from a number of factors but typically involves the argument that the issues are part of the game and require no changes or external programs to take advantage of them.
Well that settles it then, an exploit is both a glitch and also an abuse of game systems…
Players like to refer to the phrase “clever use of game mechanics”, but “it’s not an exploit”.
But, by definition “clever use of game mechanics” is an exploit.
An exploit is a “clever use of game mechanics”… or in this case “systems”.
Stacking haste isn’t an exploit, it’s an intended mechanic.
Using macros isn’t an exploit, it’s an intended mechanic.
Using them together “might” be an exploit, because, by definition, ANYTHING can be considered an exploit. Depends on how you look at it. Depends on what you’re doing. Depends on what’s INTENDED (this is the important term here).
I don’t think that’s an exploit.
But, haste being bugged and players finding a way to abuse that is considered to be “glitching” and “exploiting” (based on wikipedia, and based on Blizzard’s legal jargon).
That’s fair.
My point is, using the term “exploit” to refer to “glitches”, but not “clever use of game mechanics” is contradictory and doesn’t make sense.
Either way, haste is bugged.