Huge nerf to solo/outdoor gear progression in DF Season 1

[Lumineus-whisperwind (Lumineus)]

@Cäpslöck-proudmoore

Or just farm and sell mats.

lolsure

Gathering is not a casual activity in this game. Blizzard have consistently balanced materials requirements around the availability generated by boxers and bots, so if you don’t have the resources to compete in that space, you’re just wasting your time.

Even now, after boxing is “supposedly” banned I still cannot get enough herbs to make one 20-stack of strength potions, enough for one person to raid for one night, maybe, if they don’t wipe incessantly, after flying around Bastion for an entire hour. Because crafting is still balanced around botting!

Now imagine how it’s gonna be when mats have tiered quality, so even if you spend all night gathering (hardly casual) only a small portion of your work will even be worth anything. Who has time for this crap?

[Raiimir-stormrage]

@Nadetta-moon-guard

acting like a physco man child

This is highly suspect, I have seen no one acting like this.

Are you just breaking the CoC and insulting people ?

@Rashiko-bleeding-hollow

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I was under the impression that the ilvls were lowered by 10 across the board for everything.

They were, Primalist Invasion gear hadn’t been touched yet though. Now OP is mad it got the same treatment as raid and m+ gear got.

@Eleusia-myzrael

Did you not play WoW during 9.1? Gear from the Maw and Korthia could start off at 200 iLvl and be upgraded all the way to 233 iLvl. Why is this not progression?

Because casuals whined it took too long. So they removed it.

Some raiders got it done super quick, in 28 days. So again, complain to the “solo” players who ruined it for you by complaining about what they were given.

@Lumineus-whisperwind

Gathering is not a casual activity in this game.

If gathering is not a casual activity, at this point, there’s no saving you people.

[Snozy-thrall]

@Blitzkareeg-area-52

Let me ask you, how long have you been playing this game?

Since BC.

@Blitzkareeg-area-52

Because up until DF, this game was all about “playing the game the way you want”, and you got the appropriate rewards for doing so. The nerf to the invasion gear was in no way warranted, period. They could have left it as is

False. For the majority of this game the game has been raid or die. Legion when Mplus came out that changed and BFA/SL have had the most solo player content available.

The nerf to invasion gear is probably because the first tier will be LFR level loot like it was for SL.

@Blitzkareeg-area-52

After doing instanced content for 3/4 of the life of this game, i want to just chill, and have a power progression path that helps me out in the content they play. Open world content progression was ALWAYS a priority in this game. I know, ive been here since the dang beginning!

Open world content has never been a priority. You’re flat out wrong on that.

@Blitzkareeg-area-52

You have your path, yet want to deny mine, that affects you in ZERO ways.

Solo players have their path too. And yes I’m voicing my opinion against solo content rewarding heroic or mythic level gear because it DOES affect me.

@Blitzkareeg-area-52

Now scoot off and go chain run you 2000th M+!

Stay mad but the game isn’t going to give you heroic or mythic ilvl gear for playing solo.

[Blitzkareeg-area-52 (Blitzkareeg)]

@Snozy-thrall

Solo players have their path too. And yes I’m voicing my opinion against solo content rewarding heroic or mythic level gear because it DOES affect me.

JC ALMIGHTY ALREADY! No one asked for freaking heroic/mythic ilvl loot for open world play!

Just STOP with that crud already! You really are not getting it, because that line is so embedded in your mind, its the only thing you keep coming back with!

[Raiimir-stormrage]

@Snozy-thrall

The nerf to invasion gear is probably because the first tier will be LFR level loot like it was for SL.

The nerf is 2 parts. Storm Sigil gear went from 395 in the original unveiling to 385. That’s the typical -10 ilvls that all gear received at end game accross the board, and it’s not surprising. Whining about this is asinine, it’s a readjustment of S1 gear levels.

The 2nd part is the spammable grind gear. On announcement that was 382. Basically Mythic 0 level gear with no lockouts that you could grind out. That was adjusted to 359 instead of 372 instead, because it made literally no sense and meant the first 2-3 invasions, Mythic 0 was completely invalidated otherwise.

Basically OP is complaining he can’t invalidate Mythic 0 dungeons in S1 by just farming world mobs for 3 hours.

[Snozy-thrall]

@Blitzkareeg-area-52

JC ALMIGHTY ALREADY! No one asked for freaking heroic/mythic ilvl loot for open world play!

Multiple people in this thread have asked for that.

You burying your head in the sand doesn’t make it not true.

@Blitzkareeg-area-52

Just STOP with that crud already! You really are not getting it, because that line is so embedded in your mind, its the only thing you keep coming back with!

You’re the one not getting it.

[Raiimir-stormrage]

@Snozy-thrall

You burying your head in the sand doesn’t make it not true.

You’re talking to the guy who said I was and I quote “spewing nonsense” when I said Archivist rank 6 took 28 days.

I then linked him the armory of a guildie of mine who did it in 28 days.

He put me on ignore, because of course you ignore people who completely shatter your argument with facts.

You’re not going to get through to him with logic.

[Snozy-thrall]

@Raiimir-stormrage

Basically OP is complaining he can’t invalidate Mythic 0 dungeons in S1 by just farming world mobs for 3 hours.

Isn’t that the usual for them though😂

@Raiimir-stormrage

He put me on ignore, because of course you ignore people who completely shatter your argument with facts.

I remember that. I loled irl.

@Raiimir-stormrage

You’re not going to get through to him with logic.

Probably not.

[Lucavitha-area-52]

People have absolutely asked for that in the past, because they feel entitled to it because they need “path to progression”

[Nadetta-moon-guard]

Mmm It’s so, so sweaty in here.

[Debbyfrowner-thrall]

@Raiimir-stormrage

For reference, this is Gingi :

What a hunk. He’s the hottest WoW player I’ve ever seen

[Nadetta-moon-guard]

S tier clap back

[Lucavitha-area-52]

You’re trying so hard, it’s almost cute.

[Antiman-bloodhoof]

@Cäpslöck-proudmoore

People complained about the timer, so they removed the gear and the timer.

They could have had a timed version with the gear and an untimed version without

@Cäpslöck-proudmoore

People complained that it was too hard in S1, so it got a massive nerf.

“Too hard” in this case likely meant they could not zerg it or AFK to do it

@Cäpslöck-proudmoore

People complained that it was the only way to gain legendaries,

This is a complaint that I would expect from raiders just as much as others, as raiders keep saying they are “forced” to do things they do not like.

[Cäpslöck-proudmoore]

@Antiman-bloodhoof

“Too hard” in this case likely meant they could not zerg it or AFK to do it

Pretty much yes. But they made such a big stink that blizzard caved and hurt the chances of redeeming the feature.

[Antiman-bloodhoof]

@Cäpslöck-proudmoore

But they made such a big stink that blizzard caved and hurt the chances of redeeming the feature.

What do you expect when people are short sighted to the point they can’t look beyond the here and now in order to at least imagine what changes happen here and now will cause down the road?

[Murdercarpet-zuljin]

Dynamic drop rates are based on data that shows that at some given time a drop my inspire that player to play more, based on their play patterns. With a lot of games, you think you know what the drop rate is but you don’t.

[Cäpslöck-proudmoore]

@Antiman-bloodhoof

people are short sighted to the point they can’t look beyond the here and now in order to at least imagine what changes happen here and now will cause down the road?

Agreed, this is why blizzard should ignore 95% of the threads on GD including this one.

[Sabbia-moonrunner (Sabbia)]

Holy crud this thread is long lol.

Anyway, good, needed to happen. I would argue that it needs to be removed completely.

“But Sabbia, why on Earth would you say such a thing!? What about muh loot?!” Well, friendo, let me break it down for you. While the open world is still providing gear, you can kiss any sort of interesting or challenging components to said open world goodbye…or hello since, you know, it isn’t a thing lol.

Why? The open world HAS to be done with the lowest common denominator in mind. I’ll repeat, it HAS to be done with the lowest common denominator in mind. Rewards and subsequent value of said rewards will always be tied to a particular piece of contents difficulty. Nothing is going to change that. I can’t think of a single game on the market that doesn’t run with this concept, and no, FF14 is exactly the same way.

There has never been anything difficult about the open world and that will continue to stay the same. There has been content not tied to the open world, such as visions, which was good in concept, but for some odd reason Blizzard doesn’t seem to enjoy the idea of evergreen content. It’s a concept that could have been built on and improved but they keep abandoning everything lol.

Fact of the matter is, if you actually want a better open world, power based rewards need to be removed. I agree that it needs better content, more varied content, and yes, much more “interesting” content, but so long as there is a subset of the population using it as an actual method of gearing, it will never happen. Until the gear is removed, the best thing you are getting is the usual fill the bar nonsense that people can practically sleep through.

The rewards for the open world need to be cosmetic. Transmog, mounts, pets, titles, etc., they shouldn’t be tied to power. I’m sure there are lots of people that will disagree, and that’s fine, but that’s the reality of the situation, sorry.

Also, delete LFR.

[Debbyfrowner-thrall]

@Cäpslöck-proudmoore

People complained about the timer, so they removed the gear and the timer.
People complained that it was too hard in S1, so it got a massive nerf.
People complained that it was the only way to gain legendaries, which are viewed as mandatory, so they added the ZM soul ash/cinders bag.

I think you need to separate the player from the developers. The players aren’t responsible for any changes in game, we don’t have that kind of power. Yes people complained, but we ultimately weren’t the ones who made the final call to change Torghast. There were so many players praising Torghast in the alpha and beta so it’s a bit unfair to lump all players into one category because we all have our opinions. And blizzard picks and chooses which feedback to listen to. We can criticize them for their choices