Just a small question. I know Jaina founded it and it isn’t technically a part of any specific nation. I am assuming one could identify as Lordaeronian, considering many that fled with Jaina to Kalimdor, were of such a nation. So, if you were born in Theramore, would you be considered Lordaeronian?
Theramore was a city of refugees of all types relevant to the Third War primarily from Lordaeron and probably Dalaran to a slightly lesser extent. Anyone could be from there since it was also an expeditionary base but Lordaeronians were probably the largest group.
Probably with a passport, or a visa, or a license or something like that.
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Okay. Thanks. I thought as much, but I didn’t know if there was a demonym that I was not aware of.
Vanilla - Cataclysm actually answers this. It was a holding of Kul Tiras. And she killed her father the Lord Admiral due to his treatment of Orcs and took it over.
This isn’t up for debate it’s established lore.
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No? In the established lore Jaina and her expedition founded Theramore and two years after its founding Daelin and Kul Tiras showed up, took control of Theramore and used it and its people to wage war against the Horde.
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The area was settled by survivors, this includes Northwatch. That Darlin took over, it’s Kul Tiran. Even down to their culture as a mainly naval force. Even after his death the area served as a port.
Every kingdom has others present, so you can’t base the kingdom on who’s present but who exercises control. No kingdom had a claim on Theramore until Daelin showed up.
Even considering the aspect of the survivors; they were survivors of the ALLIANCE of Lordaeron ie Lordaeron, Stromgarde, Stormwind, Dalaran, Khaz Modan, Gnomergan, etc. it wasn’t solely Lordaeron. Saying Lordaeron vs Alliance of Lordaeron are two VERY different things.
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You’re right, it was settled by refugees and survivors. They had a navy, otherwise they wouldn’t have sailed to Kalimdor to begin with, and they built a port. Stormwind too has a port, but I doubt that makes them a mainly naval force.
And Kul Tiras exercised control over Theramore for less than a year, Jaina herself has always been the Lady of Theramore except for that brief time and she ruled Theramore as a sovereign city-state and even referred to it as a kingdom. No other kingdom claimed Theramore.
You’re right. It was still predominately Lordaeronian given that it was formed by people fleeing from Lordaeron, but Stromic, Gilnean and Kul Tirans were there as well as dwarves.
They came together as Theramoreans, those who still clung to a Kul Tiran identity likely deserted like most of Daelin’s few remaining loyalists after his death did.
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She was the daughter of the Lord Admiral, almost literally a Princess. Remind me again which Kingdom she’s currently leading?
And she was basically forced to keep Northwatch as Alliance even after Daelins death because the Alliance forced her too. She maintained Theramore as neutral as she could.
I just don’t understand how you aren’t comprehending it’s Kul Tiran. Kingdoms take contested areas all the time. Kul Tiras gave Tol Barad to Strom is another prime example.
Either way we’re getting off topic of OP.
Except Theramore is not Kul Tiran because it is well established that it is a sovereign state comprised mostly of survivors of Lordaeron and those members of the old Alliance that heeded Medivh’s warning to flee West. Don’t come in hot and call things not up for debate when the Wiki states you are dead wrong within seconds.
Your pro-tier argument of “Nuh-uh, it is this because I said so” then trying to call OP incompetent is lolcow worthy at best. Sit down, grab a nice hot cup of joe, and go read up on the lore of Theramore. It is and always was a mix of cultures that defined themselves as Theramore above all others because the people there had no home to return to. Simply being occupied by Kul Tiran forces, that were driven out and abandoned the city because of Jaina, does not make them a part of Kul Tiras in perpetuity.
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I don’t think I’ve ever seen a term to define the people of Theramore. I think a close, real world equivalent would be Ecuador and their people being called Ecuadorian. Theramorian is not terrible and gets the point across if your character takes pride in their home and wants to identify themselves as that rather than tracing back to the home they lost.
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Currently she is the Lord-Admiral of Kul Tiras, but it’s entirely unrelated to her having been the ruler of Theramore previously. At this point she has spent most of her life outside of Kul Tiras, a fact she even makes light of given her (probable) Dalaranian accent.
Theramore was part of the Alliance, Northwatch was built by the refuge expedition too. She wasn’t forced to keep anything as Alliance.
Because it isn’t? Kul Tiran occupation of Theramore lasted for like a month at most, it was a sovereign state ruled by Jaina and populated chiefly by Lordaeronians for 99% of its existence.
In this case Theramore wasn’t a contested area and Kul Tiras lost control of it regardless.
Tol Barad was part of Stromgarde until the Second War, after which Kul Tiras occupied the completely ruined isle.
Considering OP’s topic is the identity of someone from Theramore, I would rather say this is actually perfectly on par with it. Whether it’s simply Theramorian, Theramorean, whatever else you can think of or whether they cling to the nationalities they came from be they Lordaeronian, Kul Tiran, Stromic, Gilnean or Dalaranian.
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Just so happens I logged back in at the same time lol,
My point on the OP was we kindof derailed it from his question. Either way we aren’t going to agree here. So might as well leave it. I honestly couldn’t care less anymore. What I DO care about is the OPs question.
And honestly I don’t see why you couldnt be a Lordaeronian.
Masterful gambit, sir. Start an argument then sidestep out when you get ratioed saying you couldn’t care less anymore. We’ll be watching your career with great interest.
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I’m not sure most of them identify as anything anymore
Ironically I’d actually agree with you here, but underlying accusation here is low tier effort and a boldface lie. “then trying to call OP incompetent is lolcow worthy at best” which anyone with two brain cells could rub together would easily find I never did as such.
The fact you want to say grab a cup of joe, and go read up on the lore. When you have a SINGLE LINE from the WIKI is WILD. Literally the entire first half of this game says otherwise. Even the wiki if you scrolls down states Daelin was the former leader.
Shall I start pulling lines from your source as well?
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Jaina Proudmoore(https:/ /wow pedia.fandom. com/wiki/Jaina_Proudmoore) - the ruler of Theramore - is the daughter of [Lord Admiral](https:// wowpedia. fandom. com/wiki/Lord_Admiral) Daelin Proudmoore(https:// wowpedia. fandom. com/wiki/Daelin_Proudmoore), former leader of the merchant nation of [Kul Tiras](https:// wowpedia.fandom. com/wiki/Kul_Tiras_(kingdom)). The similarity between Theramore’s banner and the flag of Kul Tiras stems from this relationship.
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During the first years of Jaina Proudmoore(https:// wowpedia.fandom. com/wiki/Jaina_Proudmoore)'s leadership, the Lady was aided by her secretary Duree (https:// wowpedia.fandom. com/wiki/Duree) and her chamberlain Kristoff (https:// wowpedia.fandom. com/wiki/Kristoff_(human)). The man was left in charge of the city and sat on its throne whenever Jaina was absent.(https:// wowpedia.fandom. com/wiki/Theramore_Isle#cite_note-70) When it came to military advice, Jaina trusted in
Colonel Lorena (https:// wowpedia.fandom. com/wiki/Lorena) more than on her other officers.(https:// wowpedia.fandom. com/wiki/Theramore_Isle#cite_note-71) Kristoff was eventually replaced in his role as chamberlain by Aegwynn (https:// wowpedia.fandom.c om/wiki/Aegwynn) after his death. (The Colonel Lorena was confirmed to be Kul Tiran) -
Gavis Greyshield (https:// wowpedia.fandom. com/wiki/Gavis_Greyshield), a former lieutenant of the Theramore militia, believes it was wrong of them to turn against Admiral [Daelin Proudmoore](https:// wowpedia.fandom. com/wiki/Daelin_Proudmoore) and has been leading Theramore deserters in trying to denounce Lady Jaina Proudmoore’s rule via a propaganda war.
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Between both Theramore and Durotar (https:// wowpedia.fandom. com/wiki/Durotar) a tension arose. At one point, Admiral Daelin Proudmoore (https:// wowpedia.fandom. com/wiki/Daelin_Proudmoore) held the city when Rexxar (ht tps://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Rexxar), Rokhan (htt ps://wowpedia.fandom. com/wiki/Rokhan), and [Chen Stormstout](htt ps://wowpedia.fandom. com/wiki/Chen_Stormstout) came to speak with Jaina.[[12]](htt ps://wowpedia.fandom. com/wiki/Theramore_Isle#cite_note-12) The admiral started a war (https:// wowpedia.fandom. com/wiki/Invasion_of_Durotar) against the [Horde](http s://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Horde). The result of this war was a final battle in Theramore ending with Daelin’s death.(https:// wowpedia.fandom. com/wiki/Theramore_Isle#cite_note-13)
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The first Kul Tiran(https:// wowpedia.fandom. com/ wiki/Kul_Tiras_( kingdom)) landing party was made up of [swordsmen](http s://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Navy_Swordsman), [snipers](http s://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Navy_Sniper), [chaplains](https ://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Elite_Chaplain), [hydromancers](htt ps://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Elite_Hydromancer), [crusaders](h ttps://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Crusader_(Warcraft_III)) and contained a [mountain king](h ttps://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Mountain_king), two [archmagi](htt ps://wowpedia.fandom. com/wiki/Archmage) and two [paladins](htt ps://wowpedia.fandom. com/wiki/Paladin).
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The isle was defended by the Theramore Guard(https:// wowpedia.fandom. com/wiki/Theramore_Guard), the infrastructures of which were overtaken by the Kul Tiran forces during [Admiral Proudmoore](https:// wowpedia.fandom. com/wiki/Daelin_ Proudmoore)'s coup. The city was also threatened by a group of [criminals](https:// wowpedia.fandom. com/wiki/ Bandit) led by a bandit lord(https:// wowpedia.fandom. com/wiki/Bandit_ lord).
Just some of what I’ve found on your source.
Regardless as I said above I’m bored of this conversation, if you don’t believe it or can’t headcannon it, cool carry on. But I’m done your only here to start more drama.
I want the post to go back to OP.
Unrelated but why do so many people on these forums come out swinging at people over lore disagreements lol. Like, not even a debate getting heated, just straight out of the gate throwing fists.
It’s a story for a video game, it’s never that serious.
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It makes my day go by faster though.
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Oh 100% it’s fun to watch as a bystander
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I thought you didn’t care anymore?
So I guess I’m full out British then since living in the US makes me that by default? Or perhaps German because a few of them came over too and influenced our technical design? Maybe Mexican with their farming? Fel, I might even be Canadian because I like to be polite to people rather than open a conversation with “This isn’t up for debate it’s established lore”.
It’s a forum to help people and OP was just looking for how to define a toon from Thermore. You provided nothing of value other than a snarky attitude while acting like the arbiter of what is canon and what is not.
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