How Would Alliance Players Finish The Story?

Darkshore is re-settled and restores connections between the kaldorei civilizations scattered through the reaches of Kalimdor, as is Ashenvale. A civilization built atop the tree boughs and into the trees itself, serving as a new capitol for the people of Darnassus. Fortifications erect to keep the kaldorei forces from marching into the Barrens and the Horde from pressing back into Ashenvale.

Lordaeron is still beyond any habitation. The Horde wins the conflict for the Arathi Highlands and restores connections between northern territories by settling Gilneas. With a functioning port, forces gain control of Hillsbrad Foothills, maintains the Arathi Highlands against future attacks and allows the Forsaken and the Blood Elves to function in their northern reaches of the Eastern Kingdoms.

Peace is brokered. Not out of good will, but because the war is beyond costly, neither side believes with any certainty they can win if they pushed the campaign and the death toll is so high that conscription is all but an inevitability, threatening to cause unrest and chaos at home. There is also the benefit of being able to trade with one another at in-between locations, offering mutual prosperity.

The prominent of the Horde oust Sylvanas. There is no violent coup, there is simply no need to with everyone who commands the Horde’s forces giving the order. They eject her from her seat. To kill her would lose the Forsaken’s loyalty- a useful asset in a collective of outcasts, and, after so many years together, might have more of a personal side to the Horde than when initially brokered, albeit cold. Varok Saurfang may be beyond crossed over her heinous actions, as would most of the world, but it is simply a balancing act that binds his hands from taking action on behalf of the Horde, while the outside world seethes in its inability to take due action, on the account of the war’s devastating expenses rendering them all but inoperable in all fronts beyond defending what is currently owned. The important part is that the Horde is back into the hands of those who make up the political power of the Horde and there is no further complaint. This does not wash her of her wrong-doings, there is plenty of room to chase political discourse to the tune of morally bankrupt decisions made in war, but this is for another place and another time.

The Night Elves become a focus of narrative in the Alliance storyline. They begin pursuing old ways of life and avoid the pitfalls that they snagged along the way, to reinvigorate a civilization once on the backfoot and usher it into an age of prosperity.

The Forsaken gain a considerable footnote in the Horde story. The long forgotten aspects of the Forsaken culture is reintroduced; individualism. The Forsaken express themselves in drastically different ways, some benign, some radical. More parties become involved in the future of the Forsaken, not just Sylvanas, whether or not she approves. The Royal Apothecary Society, the Desolate Council and the Royalists who fall in line behind Sylvanas all become entities and while their discourse is loud and considered barbaric to the outside world simply because of the different cultures that surround them, they all have the interest of the Forsaken’s continued survival, capable of meeting push with shove.

The Alliance and the Horde no longer interact with each other. There is far too much animosity to ever be quelled by anything other than a generation or two’s time. Unless it’s strictly professional and political, the two powers swiftly steer away from each other, under concerns that continued interaction could re-ignite some very tender hatreds, one that’d resume a war that is drenched with the fatigue of both sides.

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Like fel, Gilneas belongs to the worgens and Arathi to the Alliance. Add to that, the Alliance has connections in Northern Lordearon in the form of the Wildhammers.

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Remember, this was after she had her city and a lot of closer personal friends get killed in an unprovoked attack by the Horde. Don’t act like she was just some monster who was sane at the time. She lost her religion (which means she went batsnot insane all of the sudden) when her kid apprentice died.

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But you said…

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Not to point out the obvious flaw in this topic, but in what way does placing the two MOST contentious races back into their respective territories (right next to the source of their antagonism) garner any form of lasting cease-fire (let along peace by necessity)?

I’m not trying to turn this topic into this sort of issue, but I cannot see that going well. The NightElves being placed right next to the source of such tragedy (even if the Horde got completely overhauled in form and function, as it cannot mechanically be destroyed) and the Forsaken being placed back in the Breadbasket of Lordaeron (a place the Humans of the Alliance despise them for being … on top of all their own actions) … is just unlikely to turn out well.

On a related note, Sylvanas is a massive control freak … she does not share power willingly; because to share power would mean to unnecessarily risk her own eternity. She needs to go (and they need to have the motivation to be distanced from her) for them to change course.

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I’ll definitely concede to that. You’re 100% correct that, the zones could be contested with stuff like Warfronts and the like later in the story and depending on how lazy Blizzard is could always be phased after certain points.

For what it’s worth, despite being an exclusively Horde player (Thrall’s WC3 Horde mindset in particular) and hating how the Horde has been portrayed for a few expansions now, I understand that the Alliance has things much worse. The reasons I put those stipulations on the post is because I feel like those are things that Blizzard simply won’t change. With those handicaps, I honestly have no idea if the story is salvagable as others here have stated. At least not for the Alliance.

The Horde, as bad as their story is, is very “Internal” which is easy to fix. To solve our problems, we only really affect our own faction. Blizzard made the very unfortunate decision to make all of the Alliances problems external. The only way to solve their problem, is to affect someone else. Even if we ignore the scale of what happened (Which is tough to do because Blizzard decided on “genocide” as the scale of the attack), any resolution has to come at the expense of other players. For what it’s worth, I think Blizzard is trying to write the Alliance with a “Hero” narrative, but the current writers are just very bad at writing the story in general.

What scares me the most is, Blizzard will never cater to people on the Story Forum in terms of what we would like. I think we all know that, there will be a hasty resolution, so the next expansion can be set up which will likely be some big world ending threat and BFA will become a footnote so we can get to the Shadowlands or something.

I just wish that, we could get an entire (well written) expansion, that delves more into the politics and resolution of everything that has happened. Not just a patch. No big world ending threat involved to “Force us to work together”. Just an entire expansion where we see the actual consequences of two superpowers going to war with each other.

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Jaina’s actions in Dalaran are monstrous. Running around the city slaughtering people because some guy they worked with did something bad is evil.

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Remind me, didn’t they fight back and get slaughtered, while those that didn’t were captured? I remember the conversation that happened on the Isle of Thunder. That also is not comparable to getting hit with the Manabomb, nor what happened in Ashenvale where entire settlements like Astananaar were wiped out. We could go on and on, but Jaina is not that evil. She shows remorse, and has regrets. She’s a flawed character, with a flawed past. That doesn’t make her anywhere near as evil as a monster.

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Jaina only killed those who resisted. Admittedly there were those who took that order too far, but for the most part she had no choice. Either that or risk who knows what other artifact getting into Garrosh’s hands.

And if we are talking about monstrous actions, lets not forget the blood elves banished their kin just because the high elves refused to suck magic like some vampire.

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You can literally see civilians cowering and getting blasted by Jaina. The entire premise of her purge is faulty because by holding the entire population of Blood Elves in Dalaran at fault for the actions of one person is not acceptable or just.

It is comparable. The funniest part is that people like Zerde who like to excuse the Purge or even justify it also accidentally justify Sylvanas’ invasion of Night Elf lands.

If it’s okay for Jaina to blame the entire organization of Sunreavers for the action of one Sunreaver, then it is also acceptable for Sylvanas to attack the Night Elves (a member of the Alliance) for the actions of Genn Greymane (another member of the Alliance). You cannot have one, and not the other otherwise you are being purposefully hypocritical.

Lol. Completely irrelevant to the conversation.

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We have been told that was a bug, she was suppose to teleport whoever attacked her into the Violet Hold. As for “holding the actions of the entire population based on the action of one person”, well Garithos called and wants a word with you.

We know Sylvanas goal goes beyond merely “protecting” herself. We know for a fact she has wanted Stormwind since forever. The main difference I see between Jaina and Sylvanas, is Jaina is the victim of circumstance beyond her control and she had to act quickly and decisively. Sylvanas has been planning this for a long LONG time. Her actions are premeditated.

Its is the difference between killing an intruder in your own home and going outside of your home and chasing said intruder and killing him, the former is general legal, the later is a crime.

No its not, if anything, I would say part of the reason the Silver Covenant was so hostile to the blood elves is precisely their actions to them.

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So you mean like some Horde posters justifying the War of the Thorns because of Genn?

Or as you point out:

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I believe I followed your handicaps in my second response to you here back on
post 79. Any thoughts on my proposal?

Sylvanas didn’t blame them though. She has been pretty open about ending all life and having them serve under her. Jaina there are Sunreavers still alive because they did not resist being taken into custody. Astranaar and several other cannon villages saw their entire populations killed by the Horde. Man, woman, and child, all killed.

Yes I can.

So is Genn attacking Sylvanas after learning that she was going to do something really bad and put the war effort in dire jeopardy, but you brought it up.

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Who said that? Not me. I don’t think either event was acceptable. :woman_shrugging:

What would he like to say to little ol’ me?

Considering the Silver Covenant are Dalaran based, I’m going to assume they’re among the “vast majority” of High Elves who chose not to return to Quel’Thalas and rebuild and instead remained where they were and mooch of magical artifacts… not the ones who were exiled.

Funny how easily forgotten that is when it is convenient to do so.

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That the blood elves reek of hypocrisy?

We know the high elves got scattered to the wind. We even find Vyrin Swiftwind, from Loch Modan of all place, was one of those exiled. I’d also point out none of them could return to Quel’thalas if they wanted to, hence all of them are exile regardless if they got a slightly cushier place to crash.

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I apologise Amadis. With so many responses it was difficult to respond to each individually.

I do think you have a solid suggestion, and would likely be one of few scenarios I can see appeasing people. It makes the Alliance feel aggressive which is much needed. And it also makes them seem like they are really going to win.

I do think the one issue would be (And this isn’t to discount your post at all), that it still gives Sylvanas the “Upper hand” by having outsmarted everyone and sacking Stormwind while the army is away, even if she ends up losing it in the end

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Pretty sure they never actually said that, but people made that inference.

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He didn’t know what she was doing. He attacked her because he hates her lol.

We are talking about whether she was justified or not. If you believe that the actions of one person justifies reprisal against the entirety of the group they belong to, then both the Purge and War of Thorns is justified. If you don’t believe that, then neither was justified.

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