This is a comparison that I most often relate to Code Geass. I definitely do not see Sylvanas as Lelouch, though.
If anything, I once joked that a fate even worse than death for Sylvanas would be for her to be Schneizel instead, and have Anduin use his Shadow Priest powers to mind control Sylvanas and forcing her into peace that way.
That would be a monkey paw wish granted for all the Sylvanas fans who keep saying they want to see the Alliance be darker and more “interesting.”
Really enjoyed that anime. I keep meaning to watch the movies. But I can’t find a good copy of Code Geass: Lelouch of the Re;surrection without more effort.
I see Sylvanas more as Starcraft’s Kerigan but I never have seen Code Geass. Oddly enough I am a bit of an anime fan though.
I get that you’re angry that your mom’s not letting you buy Gwar tickets for this weekend, but your edge is subpar at best.
The Alliance holds a council after Jaina comes back and they determine what to do. Obviously Anduin wants to help the Tauren and pushes to ally with the rebels. However Tyrande proposes they use the rebels as a distraction and siege Orgrimmar instead. there is a split amongst the leader however the votes turns to Tyrandes Favor.
Anduin is removed as high king and instead they promote Muradin as the Alliances supreme commander. The alliance splits its forces into a bunch of its forces into different attacks. Some forces going to thunderbluff, Silvermoon and Orgrimmar. The night elves with the help of Worgen and Draenei take back Ashenvale and move on Orgrimmar. Lightforged draenei,Void/Highelves and iron dwarves move on Silvermoon. Finally the Humans, gnomes and dwarves move on THunderbluff.
The Alliance starts to seige each zone over the course of a warcampaign for both sides with the Horde on the defensive and the Alliance on the Offense.
However the End of the Campaign would culminate in a raid taking part in different cities from different perspectives ending in Stormwind where Sylvanas has launched a counter attack. However at the end of the raid the alliance stands victorious(however not in thunder bluff which the Horde manage to defend) the Black Empire rises from the core of the earth with them crushing the weakened defenders for both sides and destroying every city but Ironforge and Thunderbluff. Leading the a new remade world under control on the Black empire except our small hold outs.
But here is the key difference, carma.
Teldrassil was destroyed by the horde.
undercity was destroyed by the horde.
the attack on the zandalari was all about blizzard making them join the horde, that is why we randomly killed rasthakan who wasn’t even involved with teldrassil.
where is the payoff?, the revenge?
in fact, i am about to do it, i have my reasons on why i still haven’t do it yet, and since we are so close to blizzcon or to find out what is going to happen in 8.3 i am still having that last beacon of hope that makes me say “well,at least this story has future!”
Blizzard problem is that they aren’t scared to alienate alliance players, but as soon as the possibility of making us “satisfied” with the story shows up, they just don’t it because they are scared to alienate too much horde players (See, Siege of orgrimmar).
i am so sorry pellex i know this isn’t your fault or horde players fault,only this dumb writters and blizzard but this is just how it is.
The existence of the horde at this point is ridiculously, when a big evil shows up we eventually dismantle them. like always, why the horde would be different? for plot armor? Fine then, if plot armor saves them, then let us do the same and be forgiven, and yes, the alliance has done “bad things” like camp taco or the purge but when we compare it to the s** the horde has done we are just amateurs when it comes to atrocities.
like really we have a lot of work to do before being at the same level as the horde.
my point is,that it would be more acceptable if the alliance actually went a little more “grey”.
After the launch of this expansion and what they did to the Horde players you think they are afraid to alienate us? The vast difference between what the intro cinematic presented and what happened in the prepatch was like a gut punch followed up with Blizzard personally telling us what felt like “You’re all a bunch of jerks and should be ashamed of the choice you made in playing Horde”
Ehhh i mean jaina did attempt to have org wiped off the map, only to have thrall stop her. Attempting to wipe out a city isnt really all that much better either.
The alliance and horde really arnt all that far apart when to comes to atrocities comitted aginst each other. The big difference though? Jaina got off scott free or with only a slap on the wrist.
The big difference between the alliance and horde is that the alliance is generally white washed, the horde has all their mistakes shoved in their face over and over…
That is my only desired outcome. A distant second is that the Horde finally gets back on its feet and the night elves get some sort of reparation/closure. Both factions are at peace once again.
you bring a solid point in regards to what it was sold in the cinematic.
so i should rephrase.
Blizzard is scared to alienate horde players when it comes about the alliance hitting them too hard.
so we are not allowed to strike hard. orgrimmar is the best example.
Here is a key difference.
she was only counterattacking AFTER HER DAMN CITY WAS NUKED.
She didn’t started that war, she didn’t sided with daelin, she stopped varian in undercity.
How can be comparable that to a war started by the horde (again) in teldrassil?
Not only that she was then ashamed for trying and then lectured for it 
The big differences are the scale and also, the agression almost always comes from the horde first, meaning that they deserve any kind of retribution.
Now if actually it was the alliance the ones who started the war and did these kinda of things then yeah, we would deserve to get punished for being damn villains. and probably i wouln’t be angry now that the alliance tries peace again.
because i would feel ashamed for all these acts.
But that isn’t happening, not only i am not ashamed for the “morally gray acts” of the alliance but rather is kinda the opposite, i feel like is not enough.
Jaina after being talked out of wiping out Orgrimmar:
The Horde after successfully burning Teldrassil:
Well if we want to get technical the alliance gave her good reason to start it, that little assasion attempt in stormheim.
Also your trying to justify a bad thing with an even more bad thing, that dosent really work…nor make the less bad thing any better what so ever
I’m not sure anything could satisfy me other than taking a step back in time and diverting the course of the story far away from ever reaching this point.
I’m weary of Warcraft’s cyclical story now. They insist it’s not, and that the future reveals will prove it, but at that point I (and possibly many others) will be too disaffected to care.
The writers torched Teldrassil for easy shock value to force Alliance players to give a damn about the faction conflict because, for the most part, the “MY TEAM BEST, OTHER TEAM WORST” mindset had mostly been on the Horde for quite a number of years (just ask BlizzCon-goers). They removed one of the most fantastical locations in Azeroth to sell Alliance logo t-shirts and to sell a narrative of “An orc is sad about the horrendously awful things he’s done or been part of, and also the world’s most hateful undead elf who uses a weapon called the BLIGHT is evil, who would’ve guessed”.
There is no satisfying ending for me. You can’t unring that bell.
And Sylvanas gave Genn good reason to try to assassinate her because of Gilneas.
You literally just tried to justify the burning of Teldrassil because of Genn’s assassination attempt. I also don’t think that really works. And doesn’t make Sylvanas burning countless people to death any better whatsoever.
Your putting words in my mouth I did not say that, all I said was she had good reason for starting it. Nothing more nothing less.
To your first point yes and no, i understand his grudge though, but he should of also considered it could start a war.
if we want to be even more technical and blaming the other then we could say that genn had good reason to attack her in stormheilm.
you know, that whole invading his land and killing his son in a war (oh,surprise) started by the horde.
And even more reason for genn to attack after the 0 diplomatic efforts from the horde to the alliance about the need to retreat in broken shore Thats her fault too.
And i do agree that this reason should have been explored more, if anything that plotpoint could have been GREAT for both sides. but meh.
please don’t mistake justify with understandable.
is more understandable than in a direct response guided by legitimate anger and frustration people act in different ways.that is wildly different to calculate a mastermove and declare war to the other side. and burn a tree full of civillians just because you can.
declaring war is what the horde always do and when the reprisal comes “HEY YOU ARE EVIL FOR RESPONDING, WHY DON’T JUST DIE?”
I’m not Alliance but anything that makes Blood Elves and “Forsaken” and the “For the Dark Lady” types very sad will be a good ending. The Night Elves getting their home back ten fold with heritage armor. Jaina and Thrall reuniting in peace. Baine for Warchief. Sylvanas removed as Warchief and disappeared for 2 expansions until they decide to Illidan her. High Elves added to the Alliance. Saurfang gets his honorable death while killing dishonorable Nathanos. Calia Menethil becomes “Forsaken” leader.
Sylvanas was also under orders not to develop or use the Plague. And she did both at Gilneas any way. And now she’s Warchief, for as far as following orders matters to the Horde.
Perhaps I am not understanding your choice of words. However, this sounds like justifying to me.
Where you are probably getting confused is me and etheldald were talking about how a big bad thing dosent make a little bad thing better. We were more so saying who started it not speaking much of the event after and wether they were right or wrong (btw I wasent even for burning the tree either).
No this is what it would look like to justify it,
From a strtagical standpoint it makes tons of sense (burning the tree great smoores btw), alliance reinforcements are closing in, with a roster full of demi gods, and outnumbering the horde in terms of navy and man power, just burning it and just getting out. Makes the most sense.
What the horde take the tree? Then what? Surrounded by the alliance? When the night elfs know their land? No way the horde could even hold it.
Thats justifying it. Its cold.
What I said before was meerly talking about the start of the war, not refering to the events after.
Now here is where they overdid it from a story standpoint, they left the civillians in it. They shouldent of done that, thats a whole new level.
Heh heh great smores by the way! heh heh! BBQ anyone? Where all my Sylvanas fans at?