K then ally leader goes down then too.
You can have Andiun.
Ill take velen and malf.
Lol now suddenly asking for two.
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ally leader goes down as soon as that leader does something equally to
what sylvanas has done to us to the horde, otherwise, i think not.
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I’m not saying to dismantle the Horde. I’m saying that there should be characters who leave the alliance and horde to form their own superhero faction. Like the class halls but on a grander scale.
Let the alliance and horde exist for those who want the war.
As I said earlier. War would likely not be in the table, simply because the opposing powers cannot possibly afford to throw more at the conflict. Much like the English and French during the 100 year war. There was a lot of territory that was claimed for decades at a time and largely unopposed in anything other than occasional skirmishes that came to nothing.
There’s nothing that’s stopping these skirmishes from happening. It’s just probably not going to escalate heavily due to the lack of reinforcement they’d receive from the Alliance and Horde respectively.
As for why we’d be putting them back in their respective places; where else is there to go? To do anything else for the Night Elves would be a political disfavor, there’s a lot of northern reaches in Kalimdor where they hold sway. Retaking Darkshore would make them whole, minus Teldrassil.
Just the same, the Forsaken need somewhere to go and currently, the connecting territories would best suit the Forsaken and the allies they had on that territory, Blood Elves. Gilneas, while Greymane’s Wall is broken, is still fortified and a solid location for the Forsaken to retreat to from Lordaeron. It’d make them whole, save for the Undercity.
Sylvanas is strict on her rule, this is fair, but therein lies the ability to make for a house of cards situation. She lost the position of Warchief. The extreme body count of the Blood War may show that she might not be the way for the Forsaken anymore. The Royal Apothecaries will pursue power where it lies and like sharks, they will come to take if they sense weakness. The Desolate Council may also see that she may not be the way for the Forsaken, though they have interests in ensuring that they aren’t the disposable little guys and other agendas that aren’t as aggressively dark as the Royal Apothecary Society.
What is she to do? If she orders them killed, that fragile political system can collapse into anarchy and the future of the Forsaken - her protection against eternity as well - is in constant turmoil. It becomes a careful balancing act to not do anything too drastic that can bring it all tumbling down, while at the same time striving to thwart people who could potentially challenge her power. It’s a narrative that can function by itself.
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we didn’t destroyed lordaeron ourselves, rasthakan wasn’t even part of the horde during teldrassil, the navy is useless and we already lost ours to some 80d chess.
and the attack was about blizzard making us be a plot device for the zandalari to join the horde.
all what i want is justice, every soldier,commander and general of teldrassil has to go down.
so i think that a cgi cinematic from maiev/tyrande or questline in ashenvale or something like that would be fair, no cities nuked, no unnecesary characters deaths like rasthaboi.
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Velen gives Veliina her golden eyes, and Veliina wants to kill Velen.
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For the record, I’m okay with killing the alliance leadership. I’m okay with destroying every hub and capital. If all of that is what it takes to kill Sylvanas, fine. It’s not fair, but that’s how infuriating she has been for the alliance player base.
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Anduin grows his Wrynn chin and kills Saurfang and Sylvanas somehow.
You know, since they inflicted atrocities on members of a faction he is the KING of.
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You think she’s any better for the Horde playerbase? Don’t let these Sylvie fans fool you, they apparently could give a crap about the Horde outside of her). There is a reason I rage-quit for several months shortly after Legion Launch … I knew EXACTLY what Blizz had planned for my favorite faction when they decided to haphazardly kill off Jin and slap a Warchief Sticker on Sylvanas (hell, she was acting more like our Warchief in the Broken Shore scenario than Vol’jin was). She was put in that position to stir crap up again, because Anduin never would…
Please, take her. Hell, take Gallywix while you’re at it, he still has a larger Goblin death toll than the Alliance could ever dream of having. They are yours!
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Does the Alliance get to have faction pride?
Up until TBC maybe.
We lost the High Elves to the horde to fix pop imbalances.
The Iconic Bolvar moment in Stormwind Keep got deleted cause there was no horde equivalent. Instead of them making a horde equivalent.
We lost several zones to an imbalance instead of the horde getting some new zones to balance it out.
Theramore got nuked cause there was no horde equivalent. Instead of you know, building a horde equivalent.
We lose several Alliance heroes and institutions to neutrality so the Horde can have them as well, instead of actually establishing some horde equivalents.
We lose Teldrassil as the Horde smashes it way through three zones and takes the city regardless of anything the Alliance does. Then we get a quest to fail to save 900+ civilians from genocide. The Horde starts off successfully rescuing every civilian in UC, then rigs UC as one big trap to kill off even more Alliance.
The Alliance gets to start off the Kul Tiras storyline with Jaina having a nightmare, getting arrested, then having to be rescued by NPCs while the Horde pulls a daring inflitration of Stormwind, rescues a princess, sets fire to Stormwind, then smashes an Alliance fleet that was so awesome to see that the Devs have to show it to Alliance players twice.
And we do have our Blizzcon Corpsegrinder moment. I do notice the horde still has no equivalent of that.
We are constantly losing stuff to the horde. It has gotten old and stale. And it does affect morale on the Alliance side.
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Because you had far more stuff to lose from the get-go. I mean on a meta level people only really consider Cata a Horde expansion because we picked up a few of the neutral zones right in our own capital’s back yards (which mechanically was just to diversify and even out the immensely linear Horde leveling experience). Oh, I do suppose Thrall was around … but no more than Malfurion was.
Honestly, at this point I hope the Alliance get their Faction Pride moment. Destroy my faction, kill its reps, complain about Horde Bias if Blizzard can ever be bothered to try to build up replacements (or that we half the playerbase get to exist at all). I am under no such illusions that I will get a single moment of pride going forward … its just us waiting around to see how much Blizz takes from us for your satisfaction (and then waiting to see how much they try to dodge the issue of rebuilding us after they broke us into a million pieces and damaged our faction identity likely far beyond repair).
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To be completely fair in this particular scenario the kultiras storyline start like this un purpose to culminate in a “good moment” in the pride of kultiras cinematic.
while the zandalari is the opposite, they start the story with a “cool moment” but then it quickly becomes a failure after failure that culminates with failling in every zone
while the kultiran side we defeat the bad guys in the 3 zones we rescue jaina so she doesn’t have to be saving us all the time (lordaeron)
and ending in the union of the nation and then we assault directly the horde and kill their king.
the zandalari ends up as a empire in disgrace while kultiras becomes stronger with the union and sacking their gold.
Apart from that yeah, morale is still low because we still have to deal with all previous devastating defeats.
(like failling to save 900 civillians)
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The entire problem wasn’t correcting the zone imbalance. It was losing stuff, which has been occurring constantly. There is other options other than constantly taking a chunk out of the Alliance every time the horde is found lacking.
They could you know, like build the horde up. New zones to balance the difference out. A magical society composed of horde races so they can keep their hands off of Dalaran. They could of redone either Stonard or Grom’Gol to have been comparable to Theramore. They could have done a questchain to allow Cairne to stand up to Onyxia or another threat.
Maybe also looking at the different intros and going well this is imbalanced and correcting that. Either the Alliance one should have been made better or the horde one toned down, but the imbalance was there.
But no, let’s just gouge the Alliance again.
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While that would work normally, it comes on the heels of Teldrassil and Undercity. That’s just kicking us while we are down. The entire start of this x-pac was simply designed to tank the Alliance mood and morale. And they succeeded.
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LOL … what? You’re kidding right? You have to be joking! You are seriously stating that with all these people on this thread screaming about Horde Bias (even though our literal faction identity as been shattered into pieces) they would ANY way be more tolerant with Blizz adding ENTIRE NEW ZONES for us? Sure … whatever. Prior to BfA the worst you lost was Southshore, Gilneas, and Theramore (and how presumptuous of the Alliance to think they should keep territories literally on the doorstep of Horde capital cities). Maybe some of the zones WE got should be sitting right next to IF and Teldrassil? Jokes, they be made!
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oh i agree, that is why any victory we have feels hollow, that is why we feel is not enough.
8.0 was a disaster for the alliance as a faction, they really went too far.
i don’t mind, i think that it was a correct choice to give them new land in legion, at least they now have more to lose.
i am not fine with giving back dalaran after we gained it in mop.
lost to neutrality and one of our legendary heros.
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So you are saying convert those zones and then add new ones for the Alliance to replace them? While still making sure the zones are then balanced?
Better or worse than constantly losing stuff?
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