I’m a 65 dranei prot paladin, tanked the majority of my levels and really only quested for specific gear pieces. I get complimented what feels like every run and while i will acknowledge i probably have above average awareness for someone who hasn’t ever hit level cap, a tank that performs the functions of the role successfully shouldn’t be so rare that they receive praise every time they do. i’ve had mediocre runs half asleep where i missed BOPs, misclicked DS, lost threat because i wasn’t tab targeting, and overpulled, and was still told at the end of it ‘man, i wish every tank was this good.’ it honestly makes me feel bad for the community and simultaneously afraid to ever make my disc priest alt that i’ve always wanted.
what’s your general experience with tanks in dungeons? how often do you get good, bad, great, or terrible tanks? why do you think tanking has such wildly varying qualities of performance?
OP HERE, looked up how to swap my forum ID to my classic character lol just wanted anyone who saw this to know this is me
ye pala is ezmode compared to druid and especially warr
druid is just not equipped to dish aoe threat. warr is better than dru but requires couple macros, reading the abilites, decent spec gear and game sense and probably windfury
also most “prot warrs” leveling now are noobs and probably running devastate at level 50 or something. which really doesnt help them
anyway yes in my experience palas are great, druids ok, warrs usually bad. ive recently seen a full t6 warr with dst and mainhand glaive, sunwell gear, who can’t hold aggro on 4 lobsters in slave pens H. off like one t5 priest heal
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on my warlock the only tank i really like are paladins. Mostly because their aoe threat is strong enough to support my aoe.
on my hunter i prefer ferals, so i can blast from the start
So, you’re saying that you’re good, and asking why other tanks are bad?
- Everyone starts somewhere. Making a forum post isn’t helping anyone.
- Each tanking class has their own strengths and weaknesses that are often limited by their class mechanics, not a player’s skill level (i.e. Warriors and Druids both have a harder time maintaining AoE threat than Paladins do, while both classes have the ability to out-threat a Paladin on non-Undead or non-Demon targets)
- MANY DPS just want to get through the dungeon, and will hardly EVER give a tank of any class enough time to build sufficient threat, which Warriors and Druids need more than Paladins on those AoE pulls
- Paladins come equipped with Blessing of Salvation while Warriors and Druids are left out to dry
- Players don’t consider giving a new tank an opportunity to learn how to properly. Many players would rather kick a new tank and find a new one than to bear with them through their learning process
The single WORST way to look at this. The basis of this discussion is purely subjective. Some may say they had a terrible tank because they kept losing aggro, while neglecting to mention they never watched their own threat and/or was attacking the wrong target(s). Some healers say that the tank sucked because they took too much damage - a tank has absolutely no control over that, and it can be resolved by using Crowd Control.
And this is where you became a good-for-nothing troll.
Understanding how threat ACTUALLY works may be a good thing for you to research before trashing tanks.
Devastate is their best ability, next to Revenge for threat-per-rage.
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first off, the basis of every discussion when asking for other people’s opinions is subjective. what a redundant thing to say. second, no this post was not ‘why am i good while others are bad’ it’s me trying to figure out how often people get a good or bad tank in pugs, that’s it. the rest is just flavor text emphasizing that it seems like a good tank is rarer than a good dps/healer based on the reactions/comments i’ve received during my own runs. feels like you’re the one trolling lmao
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You’d be surprised.
I run MGT H daily now for the strider mount… I’ve run this place since day 1 of release, and practically every run I get complimented at the end.
idk why, or what do I do differently. And just last night’s MGT H, warlock was like “You’re better than 80% of tanks in here” so im like “wut?”. He said that he can at least dps knowing I won’t lose threat on every pull.
But I also get normal thanks too from every warrior. I always take 1 warrior with me, because I know it’s hard for them to get into groups.
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That’s actually not necessarily true.
Considering your comment above is incorrect, I wouldn’t say my response is redundant.
I get complimented what feels like every run
i probably have above average awareness for someone who hasn’t ever hit level cap
‘man, i wish every tank was this good.’
Interesting how obvious it is that you’re trying to gloat… very interesting…
As a tank myself, I get complimented every now and then for a job well done. It happens on multiple characters. If I pay for someone to come and clean my house, and they do an awesome job, I’m going to let them know each and every day that they do do an awesome job. It doesn’t mean that there aren’t others that don’t do as good of a job as them, it just means that I was overly satisfied with their performance.
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If 1 person gets recognition, it’s a very fair conclusion to make that he is indeed very good at it. There is nothing wrong with it.
He is good. He likes it. It only motivates him to go further. Tanks don’t get nearly as much recognition as they should. Not on Classic, nor on Retail.
So yes, OP, you should be proud & happy. Ignore stingy people.
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Anyone that does a good job at anything should be proud, absolutely. My comment was in response to him denying gloating. If you want to gloat, and you’ve got something to gloat about, the world is your oyster, but just don’t deny that you’re gloating.
I get this a lot when I tank, but I’ve been playing for over 15 years so I hope I’m decent at this game.
I’ve noticed a lot of paladins have 0 awareness even as far as buffs go. They never change their aura, they rebuff the same blessing as another paladin and so on.
Same goes for everyone though. I did a normal ramparts and the pally tank accidentally bopped himself. He clearly didn’t have a cancel aura macro and was trying to click off the bop. The warlock got aggro and died. After, the lock said “sorry I got 2 crits in a row and pulled aggro”. Completely unaware of what actually happened.
I feel like there are a lot people that this game doesn’t just make sense to them or they are really new. So when you come across someone, especially a tank, that is fully aware and stuns, bops, taunts, ect they are blown away.
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Odd I get this more on shaman because and you might not believe me because of how dumb this might sound. When I am on my future warrior level 70 wrath twink I have been in groups of 3warrior/rouges, 1hunter and 1 enhance where the enhance has refused to put down windfury due to the fact that 5 players gain from agility and only 3 gain from windfury. I imagine some tanks who prob don’t get very far think they can just do the holy fart and put shield up.
Though I do not encounter them as they tend to be gearchecked/logchecked once they hit phase 2 stuff. Doing basic stuff like you said means you don’t need as much gear to pass as someone who doesn’t which is apparent when leveling.
I’m raising my last alts, they are 62-64 and grinding out HH rep to honored in ramps/bf. 4 out of 5 pally tanks, do not use auras or judge or buff. That one out of 5 pally tanks, judges wisdom and will have wisdom on the 2nd mob asap, shadow/fire aura up without prompting.
There’s a lot of toons still getting boosted bc I still see it all the time in LFG. Instead of playing their class they’ve been AFK in a dungeon getting XP. Saw a rogue doing a little over 100dps in ramps/bf and inspected him… had mostly level 30-40 gear.
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Apart from the number, which is absolutely ridiculous and untrue, I do find a problem with the last half of the comment:
- Just because a Paladin forgets to use their Aura (Whichever one) does not mean they’re a bad tank, or that they don’t understand the class. I’ve been tanking on Paladins since 2005, and I STILL forget to activate my Aura sometimes.
- Similar to above, Paladins may forget to buff you, or the game may have a temper and not apply the buffs (I’ve had that happen a few times) and no one notices until later on. However, this is not exclusive to Paladins, we have Mages forgetting, we have Priests forgetting. This doesn’t make you a bad Paladin, nor does it imply you don’t know your class. Buffs are universal - you don’t need in-depth knowledge of the class to know to use buffs.
- It’s interesting you mention that they don’t use Judgement, and then follow it up with mentioning judging Wisdom. When I’m going through a dungeon or heroic, I don’t judge Wisdom, either at all, or until I’m sure that I have enough of a threat gap that I won’t be in hot water after sacrificing a damaging Judgement. Again, this doesn’t mean a Paladin is bad.
Well, considering you can only Judge ONE target at a time, it’s highly unlikely they have Wisdom on TWO targets simultaneously.
Did you, I don’t know, offer any advice to what he could have been doing differently in his rotation? Maybe offer some gearing options that may benefit him? You could have a complete set of Tier 6/Sunwell gear and STILL pull LOW numbers.
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You misunderstand. The person playing the paladin doesn’t buff/use auras/judge the ENTIRE run.
Very True. I see lack of judging/buffing/auras on FOUR out of FIVE pally tanks. This is in the ramps/BF range. NOT level 70 where they would know this by then. Guess they just finished getting their toons mage boosted in azeroth dungeons without ever learning to play their class.
A level 60-61 pally had better be judging wisdom on mobs as they don’t have either of the 2 ranks of Spiritual Attunement.
And like I said, that 1 out of 5 pally will judge wisdom on the first mob, and then have it up on the 2nd as soon as cooldown is up. I am watching as a healer cause I mostly just hit the tank with a renew and start wanding/swp so I am actively looking at mobs to see if wisdom is up to top off my mana
I once noted in the past week, a pally buffed my priest with Might at the start of a pug (normal) ramp run.
PS: you can judgement up on multiple mobs. While leveling up my pally tank, I’d judge the 2nd mob when my cooldown was up as no reason to keep smacking the first mob.
The rogue, I talked to him after the run, gave him some outland greens I had extra in my mailbox (packrat) and made him some thick draenic gear from my LW.
For warriors if you are over-geared, threat is rarely a problem:
Step 1: Remove shield and put on a fast OH (wayyy more rage).
Step 2: Put a SLOW MH for extra threat per devastate and cleave damage. (Season 3 weapon is excellent choice, or Azshara sword from Moro). Cleave takes so much rage you won’t have a problem dumping even with a slow MH usually.
Step 3: on pull do a single demo and TC just to tag mobs and reduce some of the initial incoming damage (since your avoidance is super low and you have less armor—but again more rage to compensate for out-gearing content.
Step 4: Spam the hell out of devastate and cleave if 2 plus targets, swap to dev plus HS when only one target.
Step 5: occasionally tab to targets beyond skull and x so make sure you spread out threat if you got aoe or strong healer threat.
Note for strong single target mobs or groups with a lot of melee, you might still need a shield.
In H MgT, I can dual wield tank entire dungeon except for the big green sentinel guys and it’s not bad if you have a decent healer.
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As Fondle’s alt… .rest assured I know how to prot pally. I’ve been prot since that first point after getting 11 in holy for consecrate. Leveled the hard way. Not to mention having run a prot pally since 2006 myself. I played every class to 110 and in classic every class but shammy, so I notice when any class isn’t doing something they typically would.
Or you know, they had a 58 boost handy.
Um, yes, they do. Rank 1 = Level 18 / Rank 2 = Level 66. Try harder. You’re literally talking to a Paladin.
So, you’re “upset” because their tanking decisions don’t benefit you, as a healer or caster? Really?
It’s called potential misclicks. My blessings are all beside each other, so it’s more than possible to click the wrong buff - tell them and move on.
You can use Judgement on any amount of mobs you want, but your Seal’s effect will only be on the last mob you judged.
Which removes the first mob’s Judgement effect.
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