I feel like that’s a game changer and best of all something within an individual 5-man’s control. Course you have to be a rogue or Druid, but life’s imperfect.
And it is fun right when played properly! This is what this is about. More fun for all!
Your strats may have worked in vanilla, but not in classic. The horde’s objective is to farm alliance for 30 minutes before winning. Even if you put 10 people at SHGY, they will still take it, but not before farming the GY for kills for 10 minutes until you ghost or afk out. Then they will hold the IWB choke for another 10 minutes while they do all their turn ins running down every single player that makes it past the fight. Finally they will push into the base and wait for the last towers to cap and summon the ice lord before finishing. Not a minute before that.
If you haven’t experienced an alliance pug, picture the above scenario and that is what you alliance players see. There is no strategy
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Good luck organizing the starting group of 30 and group of 10 with roles in a pug before match starts. In vanilla, we at least knew the other people we played with to SOME extent to help form teams and know the capabilities of the players.
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Well guys, every undertaking takes a degree of Optimism.
I do not subscribe to the “Only Premades Can do things” mentality, Yes things are simpler in a Premade and take less effort to Accomplish. But Premades do not hold possibility exclusivity. It is possible with a bit more effort and attention to do it with Pugs.
The Horde does it on every single Tier from lvl 10 onward. in Pugs. So can Alliance.
All we have to do is stop the defeatist attitude.
Besides, what else do you want to do? Continue Losing game after Game? Hoping that some miracle will fall from the sky and things change on their own?
Alliance at this point has nothing to Lose in trying different Strategies, might as well start with this one and shape it according to results and current reality.
there si simply no excuse against trying things differently.
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Yeah I lost you here, when you have SHGY everyone should be pushing from snowfall to IBGY, kicking horde out of the graveyard, then controlling the choke
You can just control IBGY for 15 minutes while everyone plants beacons mid and summons Ivus, and also caps IBT and kills all the LTs
Problem is that usually makes the game last an hour, so for alliance everyone is spamming chat “let it end quickly on to the next one” (for 50 games in a row apparently)
So that point of the game never happens because a quarter of the team is AFK and the other half gives up in 10 minutes even though they waited 5 minutes to join the game
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Yes of course you can do that too! Go for it! This is a Strategy Template, it is not written in Stone, be creative and change as it works best depending on whom you fighting. Some variation is possible and implied, a Flexible Team has the upper hand.
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Yep you went wrong here. Reverse these two steps or else all the horde you’re fighting will rez at IBGY and will wipe you. People have been trying your strat the last few weeks and losing because they don’t have the GY.
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Yeah honestly whoever cares more about winning will find a way to win
I comment stuff in chat like “SHGY is wide open” and I get 5 people telling me to shut up and that we shouldn’t cap the graveyard
So now I just don’t say anything and do my own thing lol
All while watching half the team AFK as ghosts and having the AFK report not work because 90% of my addons give an error when I AFK report
Like why do I gotta disable Spy to be able to report someone AFK, Blizzard can’t make a single comment on why that error is happening so addon developers can change their code?
I don’t know anymore
You can reverse as you see Fit depending on the flow of the Battle.
However careful… if IBGY is contested too fast, then all the horde you claim to be killing will respawn at Frostwolf and hitting IB coming north. And pushing you to SH…and then Taking SH pushing you to SP etc etc rinse repeat.
IBgy should be contested when SHgy is contested not before, this is why the order is like this. Remember there are people trying to hold SH too.
This is the principle at least.
This way, you can be flexible in the plan. If horde Caps SH and then turns around to Cap IBgy, alliance can Cap SH and the process starts over again. 
The rest is PvP!
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Yeah idk if I trust what your saying after this statement lol
I’ve also noticed the most vocal people in chat are non level 60s saying stuff that just doesn’t really make sense
Also people spamming for rep and turn ins lol
Why not? Also do not forget SF If horde has SF then all this changes right? SF is also key in all this.
As I said this is a Strategy Template, many steps and things can change from match to match. In general this is the winning Strategy for Alliance which gives alliance a good Percentage of Victory.
So trusting my words or not is not important. Trust the process. And adjust it as you see fit in your Battle.
It is much better to even go to 25% Wins than what Alliance has now right? So it makes no sense to be cynical, when the only way this can help you is upwards and you cannot fall bellow where you are today.
Did you state if we cap ibgy then horde will be rezzing at their frostwolf graveyard?
Respond wisely lol
I was responding to this
Yes I did I was thinking in terms of GY progression here, they will respawn in their cave now at that stage.
I’d rather turtle them at IB then give them free reign north. And if you let them have SH then you’re rezzing far north and have to fight out of several choke points.
The best bet is to let them get SF and keep a good force defending the SH-IWB choke. If you take IBGY you can use that choke to your advantage and stop them from pushing north. Even if they don’t take SF you can hold them at SH long enough to get IBGY and then let them have SH. Then it’s a race to fight to the end.
Eh, that doesn’t matter much. So many people have alts and have probably done AV a ton. You don’t lose knowledge if you play on a lower level alt and a couple of non-60’s doing quests can help quite a lot.
Yes, if they are spewing nonsense or there’s a ton of lower levels then that’s not good.
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All i know is none of this will happen as long as people are queued in AV for the honor
Horde will wait an hour watching 3 Netflix episodes to play a 30 minute game and come here to beat their chests about how they’re PvP gods
Alliance will queue, play instantly for 15 minutes, then AFK the rest of the match because
- You can’t report AFKs properly
- GMs monitoring the game don’t exist
- Blizzard made their attempt for the year at improving the game, instead of adhering to the vanilla mentality that AV is for pugs they made it so 5 people can queue together. There won’t be another premade fix, every single game is just lopsided