How to repair the Horde

Or…you could present proof as to when the Alliance actively sought to re-take Lordaeron in those times after Wrath.

You know…instead of believing the propaganda that Sylvanas kept feeding you.

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What’s this weird head canon? There really wasn’t a concerted effort by the Alliance to take Undercity until the Fourth War. Prior to that, we were living in areas around it - and had forward camps for other reasons - but there were never plans to try and take Lordaeron. Not even when the Gilneans joined.

Most of the faction conflict with encroaching battle lines were on Kalimdor, started by the Horde.

I don’t listen to propaganda - I listen to facts. Genn has wanted to kick the Forsaken out of their homeland since Cata…

Genn has wanted Sylvanas’s head. And even if he did want to retake Lordaeron, or depose the Forsaken, wanting to do it and doing it are two different things. And neither Varian nor Anduin entertained that idea.

The actions of an individual are also not akin to the actions of the faction.

Apparently this fact seems to be existing inside your heads and suddenly your logic went from:

to:

So what is it? Genn or the Alliance?

Facts seem to be giving you puppy dog eyes for some reason. :slight_smile:

Which one?

The one that threw an axe at Helya and lost it?

The one that disobeyes orders himself from any leader ever and nearly dies from a small cliff fall?

Maybe the one that lead his people against his own prince? That spends a decade as a mere side character.

Or one thats dead and tortured somewhere off screen by vampires.

Or idk which one should I believe?

So, Sylvannus killing Genn’s son is just the actions of an individual, right?

I guess this brings us full circle back to topic our current leaders are weak lol.

As long as the Purge of Dalaran and Camp Taurajo are treated the same. Sure why not :stuck_out_tongue:
Individual right?

Right? The majority of Horde leaders are pathetic and weak.

Ignoring the war/invasion, yes. Which is why Genn specifically talks about wanting to kill Sylvanas, and not the Forsaken as well.

Or maybe they are actually strong and wise and you people do not have the slightest idea of what real strength is.

So, when Genn advised Anduin to sack Tirisfal Glades, it was okay?

Right.

The Venthyr are going to leave their fancy castle to be commanded by an Orc. :eyes:

Covenant are not joining faction. They are above that.

When? When they were at war, when they were at, “peace”, or when they were at war again?

When Garrosh advised Sylvanas to take over Gilneas that’s when your fate was written.

Alliance leaders have strength. Horde leaders just swing their weapons really hard and look pathetic while doing it.

If Im understanding the lore correctly if an orc or anyone gets “redeemed” they transform into a venthyr as I saw that happen during a quest.

So basically you invalidated your entire OP by admitting that swinging weapons and doing battle battle is not strength but rather making wise choices and stopping unnecessary fights?

I have a little hope for you OP. Don’t let me down.

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Their, “strength” is usually embarrassing all the players by acting holier than thou and getting their rears kicked for it. It’s really not a good look to threaten the Horde several times and never follow up on it.

If they have a sponsor, yes.