Yikes, we really need an entire animated series explaining in detail what happened in WC1/WC2.
I can only hope that this is not serious.
Iâm convinced you just donât know lore. Ill help you out, but feel free to google it.
Ogrim Doomhammer and the Orc clans destroyed SW Keep and Garona assassinated King Llane. Anduin Lothar declared the war lost and brought the remainder of what was left of the SW forces to Loradreon (<-- 99% sure this is misspelled)
Thereâs your short version.
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Except, the Second War wasnât Stormwind vs. the Horde, it was the Alliance vs. the Horde.
So, I must repeat Myself yet again: Did the Horde defeat the Alliance in the First War?
A simple Yes or No, itâs not complicated I assure you.
The punchline is that not only is Alliance significantly more popular in general than Horde, the most popular Horde race by a wide margin is blood elves.
OP sounds like the kind of guy who has a really huge lifted pickup truck.
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Imagine acting like the orcs needing all of their clans to beat one human kingdom (and even then their forces were depleted at the end) is âimpressiveâ, the lack of self-awareness. 
Alliance were the popular faction before they added Blood Elves. Solution? Remove Blood Elves.
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Iâd honestly keep them. It just proves the point that most Horde players just want to play the Budget Alliance-at-home, since Blood Elves are literally Alliance rejects (and they are now available in two flavors on the Alliance too).
The people who care about the âmonstrous/honorable Hordeâ are quite clearly a tiny minority.
You do know that the First War is the reason the Alliance was created yes?
But, Iâll bite because I know how you are.
The Humans of SW were beaten by the Orc Horde. The Orc Horde lost the Second war which was against The Alliance of Lordaeron (had to look up how to spell this).
Iâm not surprised.
A childish attempt at an insult is your only response?
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I mean the Horde still took the first war. Can make weird self insertion comments all you want doesnât change Stormwind was torn down by rock eaters.
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Yeah it turns out when you outnumber your enemy 10 to 1, and youâre hopped up on demon blood power, and you have the element of surprise, and you assassinate the enemyâs king, you can win a war even though youâre objectively kind of bad at it.
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Goat, panda, and dragon as well.
Thatâs just human just more bulked and buffed up on steroids.
You are asking for another human variation to be added.
Issue with Alliance is different humans in different shapes and sizes.
Tortallon would be a nice addition to Alliance instead of another variation of human.
True, they should of done a better job with their Guardian and actually brought in firepower instead of assuming a handful of knights could stop an invading world.
i could ask for arakkoa, those are one of the group of people with heavy lore behind em.
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The game would shut down.
Thatâs cutting off your nose to spite your face.
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Yeah, the Guardian, that turned out well. <.<
(I forgot, thatâs another advantage the orcs had, that the humansâ best mage betrayed them. Man, itâs pretty cartoonish how much they needed that war slanted in their favor so they could winâŠ)
Thatâs generally what happens when writers write stories. Most wars are almost never written fair.
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Nah, thatâs a misplay on Alliance. Your god like mage is sleeping for months, having all kinds of crazy possession events? Maybe best not to trust them with all that power.
Orcs are invading? Maybe donât have the king become best friends with one that stays in dagger range.
OP I do apologize for partially derailing your thread. Just had to stop Varodoc from doing his usual partially informed RP nonsense just because someone said Horde.
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