How to get 12 million subs back. Step by step guide

Very well said.

Sheep follow trends in markets.

Competent people MAKE the market trends.

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You cant MAKE a market trend just because it’s something you want. People’s tastes change and now most people want more instant gratification and less grinding. Which is why ALL MMO’s are much less popular than they were.

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WoW will never die, regardless of how many subs we have… the game is active, queues are popping. they are getting more than 1million $$ each month - it’s enough to keep this game going for ever.

Unlike other games like you said, Fortnite or whatever shooting game it could die yes, but why don’t you get that the new generation isn’t going to play WoW? regardless of what kind of change you are going to make?

Yes, we have new players… but those players don’t play the game serious or more than once a week.

You have old school players that are playing casually + couple of new players that will quit or playing just because they are bored. and those 2% CE raiders.

So, the OP is asking for “Add High Elfs and we will get 12million subs” what kind of … logic is this? no we aren’t going to bring Wotlk activity all over again.

Our generation was into MMO games, the new generation isn’t.

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Sure you can. Ever heard of Apple? Their entire design philosophy is antithetical to doing the kind of market research you’re talking about. They create products that they want, but which also elevate the business. Steve Jobs was very adamant about NOT giving customers “what they want.” He decided what they should have, and those were Apple’s most successful years.

The same thing can be translated to almost any industry. Blizz needs to be a trend leader and show consumers what they should want (by being innovative and making excellent, high-quality products). They certainly have the resources, sans the 30% stock drop since Blizzcon.

This happens all the time - in music, cars, etc. Right now Blizz is just waffling lost in space compared to force-driven companies.

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only one step - Open WOTLK and MOP Fixed servers , no expansion progressions ! !

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Again. Not what I want.

You make market trend by filling a void and offering something no one els has to offer

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That’s admitting defeat. I hope you don’t decide to run a business someday.

It’s called adapting to a changing audience. That’s not what Blizz is doing, though. They’re very isolated because of their massive amount of hubris (thanks to past success) and thus believe anything they do is great. Other companies have done this too - like GM, GE, IBM, etc. That didn’t turn out so well.

Their hubris was well on display at Blizzcon. Why do you think those poor little Diablo devs were so shocked at the boo-ing crowd? That’s how isolated and out-of-touch they are with their customers. There’s no way to succeed in that kind of work environment.

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Where is the defeat part? A company that gets more than 1 million dollars per month is defeat? do you know how much money is that per year?

You are clueless dude.

WoW is just showing it’s age.

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You said that “our generation was into MMO games, the new generation isn’t.” So that means just manage decline, let it die? Or should the company innovate, change tactics, etc. to entice a new “generation” of gamer?

Also, I didn’t have to attack you personally to make my point.

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People still have to WANT what you are offering.

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It’s not dying? WoW is dead according to the forums since 2009.

It’s not dying,. never will… even in WOD they got more than 4million subs.

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You can make people want something.

I never said it was going to die. But what you’re talking about is “managing decline” which never turns out well. Do you want an empty game? You must be one of those people who think paradise is a server filled with 500 like-minded Blizz fanatics.

Honestly if you provide unlimited instant gratification to the game I’m sure it’ll boost subscriptions – for a time.

How does removing TF or make mythic raiding 25 instead of 20 - Even adding vulpera/high elves to the game will suddenly bring back 12million subs?

Did you see the OP post? He stated reasons to bring back 12million subs.

I told him, you aren’t going to get that regardless of what change they do, because at this point WoW is just showing it’s age.

We are old school players that been playing the game since 12years.

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This game loses subs because people grow up and move on to other things. Not everyone has time to play a game like this. So every now and again the sub numbers fluctuate. This game is the best MMO on the market and has been for over a decade. Just because you or a small population of forum users dont like it doesnt mean it isnt a successful game. WOW is more than successful. People come and go, numbers change. The bigger problem is people like the OP here are flat out lazy and feel entitled. He doesnt want to work for anything… he wants instant gratification. And Blizz should not be giving in to that.

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This, this and this…

I was 19 when I played back then now I’m almost 30.

I do not play the game like I used to in Wotlk… I played arena hardcore now I’m just a filthy casual.

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This is really just a High Elves post surrounded by a lot of fluff isn’t it? People aren’t going to come running back to Wow because they removed Titanforging, added 5 spots to Mythic (most of the player base doesn’t even do Mythic), and added master looter back. Really the only thing I’d agree with in your list is MoP class design.

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The gaming culture has changed too much in the last few years for WoW to ever hope to regain it’s glory days. Today’s gamer’s don’t have the will to commit to MMO type games such as this. There really aren’t any MMO’s growing atm and every one that has come out since WoW has either gone under or is barely holding on.

That’s a shame because it makes gaming companies less like to venture into the MMO market. You’re almost guaranteed failure. For us that is BAD.

Today’s gamer’s never knew the joy of the original Warcraft series. There are no fond memories, no attachments, therefor it’s too antiquated by their standards. They want fast-paced shoot 'em ups, no journey for them. Nope.

On this day of thankfulness, be glad WoW is still has the numbers it does and the Devs. do “try” to keep the game going. It’s glory days tho, are over and will never come back.

It’s not the game, it’s the gaming culture of today.

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Actually you can’t.

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