I don’t know why people keep saying no one wants to pick up S1 gear with arena points. It’s 50% off in price, has no rating requirements, and is not really losing much stats from the full price, twice as long to acquire S2 piece for each slot.
People need to remember this isn’t retail, there’s not anywhere near as much of a gap between seasons.
Because imo, it’s a waste of time to buy gear using the same currency as current gear. When new badge gear comes out, do you think people will buy the old badge gear, using the same badges that buy new badge gear? Same concept. Very few will.
Why waste current arena points on last seasons gear? You’re better off using it on this seasons gear so you can catch up. However, you will never catch up because it’s a catch 22 situation.
I personally feel like you’d be a fool to waste points on S1. I would need hard math explained to me on why the incentive to buy out dated gear is the better choice.
That logic only holds true if you’re going to get enough currency to actually purchase a full set of season 2 gear.
It’s much better to have S1 in every slot than S2 in 3-4. Do the math, it works out.
Buy the high value pieces from S1, get that quick power boost, it turns into higher ratings for the rest of the season, then you can spend your points at season end on the 50% off S2 gear and be ready to start S3.
I think that’s an option for sure.
Consider this though. So lets say you do this. You lose a season to get title rewards at the end. Do you think having a significantly lower chance of pushing higher ratings decreases the health of the ladder because there’s less incentive for people to play past their limitations? You are playing a season to get gear at this point, not rewards. Kind of defeats the purpose of trying to get good at arena i feel like.
Yes, i know there are plenty of rank one players who got to rank one last season with a few blue or green items. I would like us to assume that it’s the average player trying to play the game. We need more average players to play. Everyone knows rank one players are players who are already dedicated to the game.
Without casuals, are ladder will quickly die off, leaving a dead ladder. This is why buying old season gear with current currency is bad. It doesn’t feel good. It’s not fun. People lose a chance at pushing for title rewards, and since rating requirements are still a thing, they also lose a chance at getting weapon and shoulders.
Right now, the motivation to play needs to be increased. Gear won’t win you games. However, you can’t win games if other people don’t play up be played against.
I mean, this is a very different argument than you initially put forward. You’re talking about how something feels, which is possibly true, but also very subjective. It doesn’t feel bad to me in the slightest. I know I’m not good enough at PvP to push titles. I know the gear gap is biggest going from blues to epics, rather than S1 to S2. I’m very happy to snag S1 pieces once a week and get a full set over the course of a couple weeks, then buy whatever S2 I can before the end.
I only wish to correct the initial assumption, that a) no one will do it and b) if you do it you aren’t using your points wisely. Both are false.
Seriously, compare these sets.
You’re looking at a gain of 1 resilience per piece in some cases. 30ish strength and stam overall. 1%ish crit.
Why would I pay double price for that?
That’s fair. I tend to bring forward ideas and thoughts from talks of an inner circle of friends. I’m not always the best at making the whole picture visible. A lot of my friends feel bad for not having gear because of inaccessible it is, AND/OR how much of a catch 22 it is. Either struggle to get current seasons gear with no gear, or deliberately lose end of seasons rewards by buying last season gear.
People generally get better at things they enjoy. Most people will be quicker to drop something that isn’t fun than to stick it out and find out if it gets more fun later.
I think there will always be some, never an absolute. However, i would argue that those are in the minority of players. I want to ask you this though since you said you were one who would.
Do you care that it costs arena points? How do you think it would feel if it were to costs honor instead? Do you think it’s a healthy choice to have as far as having options go?
I don’t want to overbomb you with questions, but some insight if possible would help me gain a new perspective on this.
When you have less health, get hit harder, do less damage/healing, you have to do more to compensate.
As a healer, if i have less healing power, i have to heal more to compensate, which means i have to use more mana, which means i run oom faster. Like, the % grows when the enemy has even better gear.
Those statistics, those one percents, two percents are very deceiving and do not tell the whole story.
Yes and no.
I think the people who played arena in S1 and bought it at full price are frankly getting ripped off if you move it to honor too quickly, and yes, I think 1 season behind is too quickly.
But I’d probably just grind out the honor myself.
I don’t agree that moving it to BGs will neccessarily improve arena participation. I think a lot of current arena players would consider last season’s gear “good enough” for what they want to do, and ignore arenas entirely. You’d definitely get more people like yourself who would feel they can compete more easily, but I don’t know if it would be a net gain or loss in population.
I may not be great at pvp, but I know this is hyperbole. If a S1 team fights a S2 team, it’s going to come down to a variety of factors, but the gear gap is not significant compared to a) comp, b) playing well or c) just plain getting lucky.
When I say this is not retail, I mean that while gear helps, and more gear helps more, the skilled player on average is not going to have a problem beating someone with that small of a statistical advantage.
Hell, I’m not even convinced the gap is large enough between someone in the blue set/S2 honor pieces and S2 gear.
With current price of honor gear BGs its a waste of time. Going to arena w/o honor gear it’s a waste of time. Failed mastermind @bliz thought it will make people occupied but as result people are leaving this game. Bliz will learn hard way that developer have to listen to customers or go out of business.
It’s about the RP. Gear looks good. Someone has to represent it.
Gear discrepancy should arguably be less a barrier in PVP arena content than in PVE, and yet PVE has all sorts of catchup mechanisms which arena doesn’t, not really.
PvP is meant to be about matching player skill, not stats. Knowing good stats from bad is a player skill but simply having started earlier shouldn’t be a hard locked counter.
I think original TBC had a good balance here.
There is no real way to fix arena participation as most of us casuals will never step foot in them. I enjoy an occassional BG but arenas are way too sweaty
Google Savix explanation on Horde racials from a rank 1 player.
This is what caused bad players like you to go Horde, knowing that many of the top pvpers would go Horde for OP racials and carry you.
You’re playing a gnome warrior dude. More participation = easier time pushing rating with non-meta comp.
Players who aren’t currently good get better and learn by playing similar players, and slowly building over time. The more people playing, the easier and more productive that is. You sitting there as literally the strongest version of a meta class casting dispersions on them doesn’t benefit the game.
Unfortunately none of this matters, as Blizzard clearly doesn’t care in the slightest about the health of this game. It’s just a cash grab with a series of terrible decisions that defy explanation. Sucks for the people who didn’t get to enjoy TBC back in the day.
ok and as a druid u should know that my racial is often useless, and yes sorry for choosing gnome with everybody in the world knowing it would be the strongest version of warrior in vanilla, my bad.
what i said doesnt change tho, theres plenty of off meta race people getting ratings
agree with the last part toh
Ok boomer me, but I just don’t understand people these days, nor do I particularly like them.
TBCC is certainly not without its flaws, and arena could definitely be considered one of them. Even Guy Pearce f’ed up a time machine.
I definitely wish more teams were participating. Yes the honor grind is stupid. But it’s TBC and give kudos to blizzard for making rep pvp gear available this early, as well as the price reduction before phase 2 for arena gear.
Now you mouth breathing entitled individuals who I sincerely hope do not vote, want to be able to buy S1 arena gear for honor. It’s coming P3. Dear god I wrote a forum book, and I’m not even a good player.
I dislike most of you and regret nothing.
Who hurt you?
Something wrong with keeping it authentic to the original version?
My dog. She has bad hips and a bad leg. She was a rescue and I’m faced with a difficult decision. So I hate the world and you.
If they kept it to the authentic version, there would be no rep pvp gear at this time, causing you to complain more than you are.
Show me the post where I complained about the rep gear. You can’t because I haven’t. I have no intention of even buying the rep gear. Now that that’s out of the way . . .
Why would anyone complain about the stupid rep gear when they could get S1 gear from arenas? Gear that originally had NO RATING REQUIREMENTS?
So again, without making stuff up, what do you have against keeping it authentic?