How should dual spec work in anniversary?

WoW Classic WoW Classic General Discussion
141

Non argument
Troll

1 Like
142

You go fully oom when you swap specs.

You have to be out of combat to swap specs.

Imagine haveing 10+ people swap specs in between pulls lmfao.

You have 0 clue what youre actually talking about because you have never done anything competitive in this game

This is literally the opposite of going fast.

1 Like
143

Its a 40 man raid dude, all it takes is 1-2 to delay everyone else.

144

I mean competitive guilds speed clear.

Having 10+ ppl swapping specs is going to slow your raid down, not speed it up.

145

was speaking more about parsing tbh.

1 Like
146

I mean you can 99 parse pretty easily in era raids.

147

99s are relative though. If the top 1-2% are respeccing mid raid, guess what that means if you want a 99?

1 Like
148

Respeccing to what??

If anything they wud respec for trash and not bosses.

149

Shouldn’t be any other way. This arbitrary “has to be a major city” andies just hate change and are coping.

There is no logical reason to have it be restricted to a city other than that.

“but the hybrids in raid” are already forced to be a healer.

“but the memes” are already forced to be a healer.

The healers aint respeccing with DS on a fight per fight basis. They’re being told to reroll warrior if they want to dps for the eventual 30/40 warrior raid with some healers.

150

Yeah and if the argument is parsing wouldnt they just go to a city before a boss to respec?

What do they even respec to for bosses, their raid spec is already set for bosses.

Im a mage, whats my frost spec going to change into for a boss rofl

151

Did you know that in Molten core not all the bosses are immune to fire?

Fire is BiS on Lucifron, Magmadar, Shazz, & Sulfron.

MC mages will be swapping endlessly

152

Fire is not bis on those bosses with p1 gear.

Arcane power/frost is bis.

153

I remember the rogue tech in Naxx during LK, and unless your guild was pristine, swapping between your aoe and single target specs actually just slowed the entire raid down to the point where staying single target was just faster.

Opting to not switch and do 15/20k dps on giant trash pulls was faster than switching to do it then switching back.

It’s why we had a half and half that allowed us to aoe and single target, at reduced efficiency for both but allowing both.

These people somehow think DS is going to give some sort of competitive edge when it’s just the low tiers screeching about something they don’t understand to begin with.

154

Yeah its just slower to have people swapping.

Who wants to do a 2 hour mc?

1 Like
155

The refined gentlemen who sip their IPAs and talk about how much their wives don’t love them in bed anymore.

156

It massively changes how people play the game out in the open world
When farming people are in pve/solo spec, they see competiton, they instantly switch to pvp spec to clear off the competition
Thats not how classic works
You go out into the world in pve/solo spec knowing there may be a pure pvp guy out there waiting for you
It entirely removes that element

1 Like
157

Dude, it costs 50g to respec in a city. If 50g is what is preventing you from going out into the world in pvp spec on a pvp server then that player is already cooked and no amount of DS is going to help him.

You’re trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.

I can promise right now, on my era toon, if I’m going to go out into the world and farm on Whitemane, a pvp server, I’m paying 50g to go to my pvp spec.

This isn’t 04. The idea of “There are these hardcore boogymen sitting out there in pvp spec” is the nightmares of the elderly bads who delude themselves into thinking that a modern wow gaming population is still stagnated from 20 years ago like they are. That’s not reality. We’re already out there in a pvp spec.

All DS allows us to do is not need to go back to the trainer. It doesn’t prevent this illusion you’re trying to craft here, an illusion that doesn’t even exist in the first place.

158

Not everyone does solo pve content in pvp spec
Personally i use a hybrid spec but it doesnt matter
You missed my argument entirely

159

You’re arguing that without DS, people will be in non pvp specs and thus there is a fear of others in a pvp spec out there.

I’m saying that anyone who doesn’t respec to a pvp spec, hybrid or not because that’s not relevant in regards to if a spec is aimed at pve or pvp as many pve and pvp specs are already hybrid spec’d, is wrong.

You are wrong for not already setting yourself up for success while in the city before you go out into the world.

Just because you’re wrong and want to hold onto being wrong does not invalidate DS. Players like myself are already respeccing to go out into the world. All DS allows us to do is to skip the respec part.

Then there is also the added benefit of DS allowing hybrid classes to preform multiple roles. The amount of healers I’ve heard whine about needing a personal dps with them because they can’t do anything outside of group content is way higher than people whining about DS existing.

The “element” you’re clinging to is quite literally the “element” of someone who chooses to fail from second one. That “element” doesn’t exist for me because I already respec. I am the boogyman you’re afraid of, because I had the foresight to spend 50g.

160

The entire point of why just copy/pasting Wotlk/SoD dual spec into Vanilla massively changes the game is exactly what you’re describing. There needs to be a limit of only allowable in major cities for preserve the Vanilla gameplay, and a gold cost at that.

The vast majority of people said the reason dual spec was needed was because 50g was too much to swap and then swap back for 100g a week.

But you’re arguing the opposite, that 50g doesn’t matter at all? This is a very rare take that most people wouldn’t agree with.
The 50g a pop is a major deterrent to respeccing period, which is why most people said they wanted dual spec in the first place to avoid that cost.

Then the other argument you’re saying is that people would always just respec in town before heading out, and then you said there’s no reason to limit it to major cities only, and dual spec changes nothing?

^ All of that makes absolutely no sense because if dual spec allows you to respec anywhere, which is what I’d argue against because it changes the game too much, if you can respec anywhere you no longer have to respec before you head out, you just respec anywhere whenever you want multiple times swapping between specs at will. That changes a lot.

Everything you said is extremely convoluted and doesn’t make any sense at all.

What’s your point?

1 Like